omg this blew my mind....wats tripps is its true

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  1. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    What is existence? How do you describe the existence of something? What does it mean for anything to exist? Walking along any street of a city, I am aware that the concrete under my feet is composed of some of the same atoms that make up my living body. However those atoms are, as scientists have proven, composed of mostly nothing. The subatomic particles within that small vastness of nothing move about at nearly the speed of light in a probability field of neither here nor there and yet both. So atoms made up of mostly nothing exist because of particles that are either here or there and both. Further down in size, scientists theorize the existence of infinitely tiny physical dimensions contained in looped strings of energy. At this level matter and energy and what we call time freely interchange in a chaos without definitive identity.

    But how can the material world I live in exist on a foundation of chaos without a definitive identity? Doesn't the establishment of a definitive identity verify that something exists? My body has sensations of vision, hearing, weight and movement. But vision, the perceptions of color and shape and texture, are merely the interpretations of my brain of the input of photons of light being reflected off of the environment. In fact all of my senses are interpretations of my brain. But if there were no light then color would not exist. If there were no force of gravity then weight would not exist. Without air, sound would not exist. But weight is merely the interaction of solid bodies like the earth on space, creating a curve in space. Sound is merely the interaction of ripples of molecules in the atmosphere being interpreted as sound. But these molecules are made of atoms, which are mostly nothing, which are made of subatomic particles, which are neither here nor there and yet both, made of a matter-energy-time interchange with no definitive identity.

    The photons of light bathing the earth move within space that has been shortened and time that has been slowed, and yet I feel their warmth -- a warmth that is merely the interpretation of my brain. The time I function in has not been slowed nor the space shortened. Yet I and the light exist simultaneously - and yet not simultaneously. At night the light from the stars are not the appearances of stars in present time but their appearance in past time. And what is time? Einstein proved that time and space are relative. There have been stories of people who claimed to have accidentally traveled back in time or gotten a glimpse of future events. If there is any truth to these stories it would further expand the idea of the relativity of time and space.

    Is existence also relative? The physical presence of Elvis Presley has ended and yet he continues to affect the world. So in that way he exists in a social cultural manner. It would appear that "existence" depends on the interactions and interrelationships of various factors that in turn depend on the influence of other interactions and interrelationships of other various factors etc. - etc. All of that emanates from a supposed foundation of chaos without definitive identity. But is this subatomic chaos the real foundation? Is there something below that? Does a definitive foundation exist?

    If no definitive foundation exists and there is only an endless interaction and interrelationship of vast numbers of influencing factors, then what is meant by the term - exist? If nothing exists in and of itself without the influence of something else, what does this mean? Is that question actually relevant considering existence may be relative - or a gigantic illusion - or both? Scientists theorize that what we call "empty" space is not really empty. Quantum fluctuations are, supposedly, everywhere so that what we call matter and energy arise from "nothing." This means, according to scientists, that a state of absolute nothing cannot ?exist." But if such a state did "exist" then nothing would exist; but a state of absolute nothing would "exist" even though "nothing would exist -."

    If I live in a world of infinite co-influencing factors with no definitive foundation then how do I describe existence without describing every one of these co-influencing interaction factors? If it is absolutely impossible to describe all of these factors, then how do I describe existence? If I cannot actually describe existence then how can I give meaning to something I cannot describe? If I make the statement "I exist," what am I really stating? How can I make such a statement if I cannot describe existence and, therefore, cannot assign a meaning to the indescribable? If existence cannot be described and there is no meaning, then -------- What am I experiencing?
     
  2. cosmicdust

    cosmicdust Member

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    This thread "omg this blew my mind....wats tripps is its true?" would better be placed under the SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY forum section, where people who respond to that forum (like FAT TONY) would actually understand what you're talking about. Your talking about QUANTUM PHYSICS, Hyper-Dimensional Physics, Parallel Universe theories and the HOLOGRAPHIC PARADIGM, which are things I know alot about. Some stoners may know these things, but most do not. If you transfer this thread to the SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY section, you'll get alot more responses.

    Anyway, I'll give you my ideas on what you've said, sometime today, or tomorrow, on this thread. There are many ideas and theories in QUANTUM PHYSICS and sometimes they don't always agree! Many of the ideas that you stated are somewhat true and many are theories that could be true. Anyway, it's very enlightening, what you've stated. You're amazingly intelligent for a 15 year old! Quite deep. Maybe you should consider a career in physics. You're off to a good start! Check out the SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY forums, for some more "mind blowing' Stuff!

    Live, love and learn EVERYDAY!


    Peace out. Expand your consciousness!
     
  3. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    my bad......i posted somethn about thinking about stuff like this when i was high as hell n i guess i lost track.....sry bout that
     
  4. MeatWagon499

    MeatWagon499 Senior Member

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    This was a very nice read, thanks for posting. Id type more but im baked and im about to play some age of empires 3.

    good day
     
  5. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

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    actually i dont think it has much to do with science at all.

    i would define existance as

    an observed, physical domain, with one or more definable features.

    existance is, afterall, relative to the mind that percieves it. existance is not a concept of physics. in physics there is merely relative quantum probabilities. since everything is composed int he mind, it is the MIND where existance manifests. it doesnt exist in your brain, it is a manifestation, an interpretation, of signals which separate things considered as real threats or non-real threats to the organism housing this said brain.

    there is only existance without non-existance. in physics, everything exists. there is no non-existance, only percieved gaps between existing things. its all perception.
     
  6. MattInVegas

    MattInVegas John Denver Mega-Fan

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    I think, "Existance" is ALL about "Perception". What do YOU believe in?
    "God" UFO's, Ghosts? Who can say if ANY of the above TRULY exist?
    Never let anyone tell you what to believe. That decision belongs to you alone.
     
  7. rydns

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    hey u stole like my almost idea you bastard

    lol
     
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