This is a guide on how to smoke Salvia Divinorum properly as to get the most from this mystical plant. This is meant to enchance Salvia to its fullest potential, and some steps may not be nessesary to gain normal effects. 1. Prepare yourself with a jet lighter, water bong, cold water, and ice if possible. 2.Set up bubbler so the water is chilled, and ready to go. Sit in a comfortable spot, such as a lazyboy or couch. Prepare small tokes, but make sure there is 2-3 tokes, normal you'll be tripping before you can take your third, but if its not a high extract you will have to take 3, and perhaps 4 if you think you can handle it. 3. You are to expect to feel the salvia 'energy' push you down/back into the couch, if there is a moving object or light source, it may apear that this is the source of whats pushing you. When enough salvia has been held in for long enough, one of three things will happen, you will trip in a far out world, while passed out. You will enter another world, while still awake in reality (you may drool and laugh alot too, yet this can be risky, you may try and go for a walk in this condition. You could also end up in normal reality, awake, but things are diffrent, you may respect things diffrently, you may live your life diffrent from here on out because of such a experince. Perhaps nothing will happen at all and you may need to induce a trip by inhaling more Salvorin A. 4. Make sure all tokes are held in for at least 30 seconds to insure all the Salvorin A. is asorbed by your body. Hopefully you will enjoy your trip with this leagle quest, have fun and be responsible. MAOI's can highly enchance or syenergize your trip. MAOI's: Peganum Harmala Yohimbe St Johns Wort (very mild) Ayahuasca Some anti-depressants also act as MAOI's, Prozak, Zoloft, Paxil, Desyrel all are MAOI's, as well as the chemicals Deprenyl, Harmine/Harmaline, Moclobenmide. Written to you by Moka989 for Hipforums.com
Prozak, Zoloft and Paxil are not MAOI. They are SSRI's. A solid dose of salvia is always a very bad trip for me. I exhale, then I very rapidly enter an alien realm of light, and a frightening energy slaps me. It's hard to describe, kinda like my whole body is a pulsating vein. And it gets a bit too long sometimes , I slip away too badly. Usually, I got 'saved' by something, just before effects start to dissipate. Shut up, next poster, don't call me idiot , I just didn't realize. Internet is pretty much the last thing im not paranoid about.
The more you talk about it, the more they find out about it. It's the last thing that is not illegal. Don't post on public forums! IDOT!
It is still very hidden as a leagle substance, its not abused, there is no fear. Anyway, look how well we do with Cannabis, and its illeagle.
Dear Taciturn.wood, Study history: the only time when the "powers that be" feel most empowered to control something is when they perceive little voice opposing their will. Open, honest and self-respecting dialogue is THE way to grow our understandings, build our community and defend our right to relate to earth, nature and Salvia unmitigated by anyone else's idea of "right" and "wrong". Ho. p.s.: IMHO, the way you spoke there was completely out of line: calling someone an idiot and pretending to be the grand arbiter of what is/is not to be posted on this public forum.... WTF?
First of all, you must learn to refer to all beings more kindly to make your salvia excursions better., as what goes around comes around and bites your bottom in an instant of level 5. BTW the method listed above uses much more hardware and wastes more good salvinorin than is necessary. I have indicated many times before, that you do not need any minitorches or bongs or ice. the torch is too hot, and the ice and bong condense out too much salvinorin so it is a wasteful approach. using a small pipe with extracts 5x and up with a regular lighter saves money and introduces less heat to your sensitive mouth tissues and lungs. enjoy. and be good to eachother
You waste more savlia by burning leaf and not activating all of the salvorin at a high tempeture, the jet lighter makes ALL of the salvia burn up quickly, so you can get it all in a quick burst, or a hit. Small pipes and a regular lighter do work for smaller, higher extract hits, but like I previously stated this is to get the most intense trip, not exactly meaning the best method for perserving your salvia, its for people who have, and can get/grow it, and just want a intense rollarcoaster ride throughout their own mind, and into the minds of creatures not right in this world.
excuse me moka9x9 what activation are you talking about? I have a chemistry degree and there aint no activation temperature anywhere in the literature. all you are talking about is burning more faster. how 'bout this: study pass then teach not the other way around.
Oops, I never went back on this thread to read any of the other postings. I already deleted my post, now it's all messed up! Sorry! All of you have very good opinions. I love Salvia! Sometimes! And just didn't want "them" to find out about it.
I just have to comment on the suggestion to use MAOI's. I would have to say do not do this unless you know all there is to know about MAOI's. There is a very restrictive diet that you must follow while using MAOI's and if you have the wrong food in your system at the same time as a strong MAOI dose you could die or have a crisis. Besides, isn't salvia enough of an experience? I think so.
When making statements to another, sometimes it is better to try and explain why you come to the conclusion you do. On the subject of smoking salvia..... [size=-1]Daniel Siebert (who does not allow any copying of his wondeful salvia facts ) touches on it briefly. He definitely states that salvia burns at a much higher temp than tobbacco, in order to release its actives. If you read through his facts, he states that an ordinary lighter is quite fine for extractions (less material to combust and more active prinicpals). But, he briefly mentions that a torchlighter is much more efficient when smoking leaves. It does seem logical, considering the leaves have more mass material to combust, in order to get to the actives.... which are much less than most extracts. And, afterall, we do want to achieve getting as much of the active principals in our system, as quick as we can. I always see mentions of the need of a metal screen mentioned. Some people make it seem like the screen is needed, in the same way brillo is used for a freebase pipe by alot of people. I have never had a screen and have never felt the need to. Anyone that has an intrest in S.D. should definitely give Sage Wisdom a good read through. A good reading on the smoking of Salvia, is located here. The fact remains, that Salvinorin A does burn at a higher rate, but it would all depend on the particular sample being smoked. The purer the sample, I would think, would require the least amount of heat and time to combust it. That is why Mr. Siebert reflects upon the torch lighter and leaf for a moment. Makes sense. We do not use a torch light when we smoke. But, then again, it is different when you smoke your fresh leaf picked off a plant, and fresh extractions. There is nothing quite like the experience of fresh salvia products! Az [/size]
that is not what d siebert wrote nor what he meant. read his guide again http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html (activation temperature is not even an applicable term - the active context is KOR which is at body temperature, the molecular form remains without chemical change or activation into a different form an any point) he writes in his own trip report that he vaporized it off of a plate at some higher temperature and inhaled the invisible fumes though a glass tube held above the plate. Vaporization temperature is not part of a smoking guide - it tells what temperature a material at sea level will spontaneously take on a gaseous state. when you draw it in through a pipe, the local pressure is reduced to much lower than the rest of the room which is why the air/smoke rushes into your mouth, and that enables vaporization (which will mobilize this ingredient into your body) at a much lower temperature. The supporting material burns but the salvinorin is released into the airstream unburned and not activated or changed in any way. If you try to resmoke the ashes they will have no salvinorin in them. no active ingredient at all. Where do you think the active ingredient went?? However if you put it on a flat glass or metal plate (who does that???), then a torch will be required to release the salvinorin, with or without ashes. If you do start smoking off a plate with a torch, you will have to get skillful with your timing at inhaling through a tube. Thousands of years ago this was solved with the invention of pipes with small combustion bowls. the torch approach is usually unnecessary, and when it is unnecessary, you can hurt yourself with it's excess heat. The term Butane lighter is used, not torch, and in fact butane itself is not an essential aspect of the lighter, he is most concerned that the lighter turn itself off when you let go, eg, a zippo may keep burning if you drop it, also a zippo is difficut to light pipes with anyway. Unfortunately the quoted text attributes the purpose of constant lighting to the need to attain a "vaporization temperature", but the real purpose of lighting efficiently is to obtain a lot of salvinorin from the bowl into the airstream quickly. I will mention this too him as causing you difficulty in interpretation.
The page you are referring to is not even one of the 2 pages i used for reference when I was discussing my input. If you had used, the pages I refer to, you would see why I say what I did. I still stand my my opinion on the matter. It is kind of hard to have a discussion about information that is held somewhere when you use an entirely different page to show what you see. I was mostly referring to his smoking page and his faq page.... and not the one you posted But I did give it another read through. And yes...... he does speak of what I have said, in the pages I pointed to in the first place SO, please do not try and say that what I am trying to point out is not right..... when everything I stated, was clearly stated, in his writings. If you want to argue the debate with him, I would love to find out the outcome Afterall.... he is one of the worlds most leading experts on salvia. Care to share your experience with the plant? I can not help but wonder your expertise on the subject versus his! Nothing personal towards you No matter what.... he does not hide behind a sock puppet on the internet like most of us do.... so we actually know who is giving the imformation and what their credentials happend to be. As for getting him (someone that has dedicated his whole life to the research of salvia) to change his page..... good luck with that! Alot of people would prefer too accept the words of a researcher that specializes in it, over a stranger on the net, that thinks the experts are wrong. I know I do and will. That, and along with my personal experiences, is what I utilize in forming my opinions. Certain things run from flame. An example being cocaine freebase. If you use a low temp on some things, you will chase it away. If you use a higher temp, you are combusting most of it and feelings its effects more! What about crystal meth? Rocking the boat? Does salvinorin a react the same way? That, I do not know, as I have never tried to run pure salvinorin a. As, I stated, I DO NOT use a torch light. But, one can totaly understand the concept of why one would think it could be better in certain scenarios. I would be interested in seeing the response that Mr Siebert gives you. Please let us know. It is interesting to find other people's opinions! Az
will update you, no reply yet I do hope he changes all the offending references the whole physics of smoking salvia extracts is way different than that of smoking a hit of freebase cocaine.
so far daniel has remarked that people can interpret things in various ways, then he admitted to using a minitorch himself in a large pipe to burn plain leaf. I am still discussing with him the prevailing and erroneous idea of "activation temperature" (thre is no such thing) and I am pressing for altering the SALVIA USERS GUIDE to eliminate supporting this misconception. I can only hope that any misdirection is removed.
