How can I compassionately ... hijack your thread?

I give up. You really are just here to ramble.

But I'd still like to point out that, (1) you still haven't shown that the Buddha said the things that you originally claimed he did (which he didn't), and (2) you nor anything you quoted of Amit's has proven a thing, even in the realm of quantum mechanics. Your choice of Amit quotes are leading me to believe that EVERYTHING he has said is absolute drivel about how "quantum physics proves singular consciousness" without any proof. You aren't doing him any justice.

Which brings us back to the end of my last post. All of my points still stand.

And, specifically, I want to address this horrible misinterpretation:

The Buddha taught the mind as the sixth sense. It senses "thought objects," percieves them, and then reacts to them, just as the other senses do the same with the physical world. When the Buddha talks about our thoughts, he is not referring to consciousness, he is referring to our THOUGHTS. You cannot transpose the two.

 

"Ramble on,
And now's the time the time is now." - Led Zepplin

The time is now dude, and where am I?

Here!

wohooo! thanks!

Yeah I did, I told you if you have bothered to read all my post, that when I said Buddha said it, I meant Buddha as IN EVERYTHING, the buddha is in all beings... So the buddha spoke through various forms... then I decided to focus on the historical buddha because that is what you mean when you say Buddha... It is a simple misunderstanding friend we use the word Buddha in different ways.

And I talked to the Buddha about it he is a close personal friend and he told me I am right about the one conciousness!

So who ya trying to convince, why would I believe you, when Buddha, the historial one, talks to me and tells me this?

One person looks at genius like Amit and sees what you see... another sees what I see...The difference, satan... the evil force. The evil force has confused you to the point where you look at Amit quotes and see drivel, and can't understand valid scientific arguments.... You are worse then the flat earth society, at leasst they are funny about the stupid scientific arguments they make.

Scratch that, you are funny! everything is, the cosmic joke reminded me. wohoo!

Wrong, I stand by what I said.

I thought i would ask Buddha about you.

He said, "He's only prancing around in empitiness"

And he has a message for you, "listen and learn."

Well enough from the Buddha, he has nothing more to add.


here are some others talking about one conciousness

Here is the The Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet

"Though there are may different types of wisdom, the main of all these is the wisdom realizing emptiness. Purity must be achieved by an indivisible unity of method and wisdom, symbolized by the final syllable, HUM, which indicates indivisibility. According to the sutra system, this indivisibility of method and wisdom refers to one consciousness in which there is a full form of both wisdom affected by method and method affected by wisdom. In the mantra, or tantra vehicle, it refers to one conciousness in which there is the full form of both wisdom and method as one undifferentiable entity"




a positive drugs news story..

"..Today a young man on acid realised that matter is merley energy condensed to a slow vibration; that we are all one conciousness experiencing its self subjectivly; there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and that we are the imagination of ourselves.

..here's Tom with the weather.." Bill Hicks '61-'94



Amma thought's on Buddha



Buddha's Compassion

"Through years of tapas (austerity), Buddha became enlightened. After enlightenment He remained in silence for many days, wanting to lose himself in the oneness of consciousness.

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"Though there are may different types of wisdom, the main of all these is the wisdom realizing emptiness. Purity must be achieved by an indivisible unity of method and wisdom, symbolized by the final syllable, HUM, which indicates indivisibility. According to the sutra system, this indivisibility of method and wisdom refers to one consciousness in which there is a full form of both wisdom affected by method and method affected by wisdom. In the mantra, or tantra vehicle, it refers to one conciousness in which there is the full form of both wisdom and method as one undifferentiable entity"




a positive drugs news story..

"..Today a young man on acid realised that matter is merley energy condensed to a slow vibration; that we are all one conciousness experiencing its self subjectivly; there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and that we are the imagination of ourselves.

..here's Tom with the weather.." Bill Hicks '61-'94



Amma thought's on Buddha



Buddha's Compassion

"Through years of tapas (austerity), Buddha became enlightened. After enlightenment He remained in silence for many days, wanting to lose himself in the oneness of consciousness.

"Now the celestial beings became very distressed. They wanted Him to speak, so that the entire world would benefit from what he had gained. So the Gods came down from heaven and appeared before Buddha, pleading with Him to speak. At first Buddha paid no attention to their prayers. Then after their continued insistence, He tried to explain to them that nothing He could say would fully express his experience of the Truth. But the Gods continued to plead with Him, 'Think of ailing humanity. Have compassion for those who are in sorrow and despair, longing for someone to give them peace of mind. Think of those seekers of Truth who are badly in need of someone to guide them to the goal. Think, Holy One, think. Think of such people. Take pity on them. Feel compassion for them and speak.'

"Gradually Buddha's heart filled with compassion. And so, after having experienced the highest Truth, after having attained Oneness with the Supreme, He came down."

"The prayers of the gods, in this story, represent the inner call and longing of sincere people who believe in the existence of a Supreme Power, and who are badly in need of God's grace and guidance. There are always such people who yearn intensely to have a tangible experience of God. They will see the destructive powers trying to overwhelm the higher values of life, and feel the inner urgency for a positive spiritual change. Their intense call and prayers will create waves of compassion in the mind of a Mahatma. That call will bring Him down."

"My university studies gave me the basic truths I now believe. I discovered the idea of humanity's oneness and the dignity and value of all human character. " - Martin Luther King Jr.


A little lesson in seeing the one conciousness in all religions and learning the wisdom of other traditions.

"the monk knew the bible and read the sermon on the mount. The more he read, the more he was impressed. "That is beautiful." he kept saying. "That is very beautiful." When the monk finished the sermon, the master said nothing for a while. The silence lasted so long that the monk put the Buble down, got himself in the lotus position and started meditation. "Yes," the teacher said finally, "I don't know who wrote that, but whoever he was, he was either a Buddha or a Bodhisatva. What you read there is the essence of everything I have been trying to teach you here."

Now that is a Buddhist, one that can see the Buddha in Chirst, what a sense of cosmic humor...

See the unity in religions, realize the one conciousness, be a uniter not a divider...

Please...

For the children.
Do you want another holocaust?
Do you want more kids tortured like this by scientists that can't see the oneness, can't recongize that conciousness is everywhere, that they are the kid and they are doing it to themselves.

The ONLY REASON, those kids were treated like they were, was because the NAZIS couldn't see the oneness, the one conciousness.


That is what happens when you help promote seperation and anti-one conciousness thinking, you confuse people, and cause others to doubt... to create a rift between lover and beloved, stop it please. We must realize the one conciousness, It is our hope, it is the answer...

Once we act as one being, how can the right hand hurt the left hand?



With the realization of one conciousness, holocausts, wars, are impossible

One country, five hundred million people are just another hand of the other millions and billions of people. It is a change in perception, towards truth...

Not that we won't have problems... but different ones. Not the ones we have now.


This is how intelligent species evolve in our universe, either they realize the one conciousness and work togetther as one like a hive of bees where everybody has the queen inside and the whole planet is the hive... or

They continue to torture themselves, have wars and violence, and so on.


In the realm of seperation, there is amble room for such things, it makes sense to do them.

Please stop it my friend. You're holding up back, you are keeping us from our evolution with your evil!


But yet again I remind myself, the price of darkness is but the other face of the king of light

all is as it should be, and it is up to YOU!

 

Hehehe, I like you molly! You got a sense of cosmic humor, trying to get the rest of these clowns to lighten up a little I take it?


And Hikaru, I was thinking about what I wrote, and probably some people might say, you were a little harsh on him, I mean it's not his fault that he's ignorant, the one conciousness does everything.

So I sang a love song dedicated to you, I wish I could hug you and tell you how much I love you, and big you a BIG KISS on the lips. In a total hetrosexual godfather part 2 type way... I was out working in the yard, doing household duties... and I sung to the sky... I felt that your true self, smiled and laughed with me at it. And understood, someday you will understand.

"Isn't life strange
A turn of the page
Can read like before
Can we ask for more?
Each day passes by
How hard will man try?
The sea will not wait

CHORUS
You know it makes me want to cry, cry, cry-
Wished I could be in your heart
To be one with your love
Wished I could be in your eyes
Looking back there you were, and here we are.

Isn't life strange
A word we arrange
With no thought or care
Maker of despair
Each breath that we breathe
With love me must weave
To make us as one"


I love ya dude, I hope you don't take my "insults" personally. Even if you do brandish a sword and think your lancalot you are pretty neat


And me and libertine are friends, and we insult each all the time... and he is a total athiest. And doesn't buy the one conciousness thing at all.

 

Does it not (in the wise) cause the avoidance of that which causes suffering?

Ohh, about the QM stuff.

Read something (maybe your discussion with Ganjaprince) about our consciousness (focused thoughts specifically) being a collapsed waveform. Just an interesting idea to throw out there.

In addition, Schroedinger's cat, the uncertainty principle, etc. Observation of quanta results in change. Look directly at God and both of you alter.

 

The Buddha was Sidhartha Gautama, not everybody. We are talking about THE BUDDHA, not "Buddhas." Everybody has the Buddha nature, but step down from your high, high pedestal of "everyone is One" because the only person who defends you (Amit) is a quack, and other people have dismissed him as well. Your theory of everyone being one doesn't hold a candle, even to Intelligent Design.

Not really, what you REALLY mean here is, "So the Buddha spoke through me," which is a convenient little way to wriggle out of the fact that you're wrong.

Greeeaaat, so now you're admittedly schitzophrenic. Do you talk to Amit too?

Oh, I'm not trying to convince you, no amount of proof can show a dogmatic idiot that he's wrong. I'm simply having this nice and public discussion which exposes just how MUCH of a dogmatic idiot you are, and just how worthless any comments you might have are in the long run, because you speak from your own little world where you believe that you are everyone and everyone is you.

The problem is, there are about three thousand people to one here in the long run. Amit's colleagues have proof that he's a moron. It's not just a simple thing like "oh this guy's theories are strange so we won't believe them" like Newton, rather it's more like "this guy is clearly wrong, because of this and this and this which he claims about quantum mechanics, he's a moron."

Unfortunately, you are the one that is on his side. Not because you actually care, only because you're so enthralled with him that you might as well sleep with him. You don't really care about truth in any way, you only care about making what you believe true, by convincing others with quantum physics that are wrong.

The flat Earth society didn't have proof that the Earth was flat. Amit's theories can be proven both wrong and unfounded. It is, in all seriousness, like having a child walk up to you and say "mommy the sky is green." It's a joke. YOU are a joke. But the problem is, it's not funny, it's just annoying. I hope for your sake you don't do stand-up. And I think I've even said that to you on another thread.

See, this is your problem. You say ONLY this. You don't say anything that proves it. You can stand by what you said as much as you like, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

What site did you pull that from, or did you just make it up like your other "Buddha" quotes?

So the best you can do is an LSD trip? Pathetic. I've had trips that have shown me God, Goddess, and everything in between, and yet none of them are real. If you're tripping on acid, what you see may give you insight, but what you see is not real by any means.

You really don't have a point without repeating yourself, do you? Is that ALL you've got?

And now, you make to pervert the sayings of other truly good people besides the Buddha, you make a move on Martin Luther King Jr. MLK Jr. believed in God, not in a universal consciousness, you dolt. You're taking his sayings out of context and contorting them to your will.

Again, it's not going to work. You have LOST, completely and utterly, this argument.

And I'm done. I'm not arguing with you anymore, you're just holding everybody back by rambling on like a child. Go back to sleep, buddy.

 

Well I guess you don't want to be friends like me and libertine


He has "a truckload of respect for me" even though he disagrees with me, is a total athiests and thinks Amit is wrong on so many levels and so on... why?

beats me, but it's ok I can take rejection



You said, "The Buddha was Sidhartha Gautama, not everybody. We are talking about THE BUDDHA, not "Buddhas." Everybody has the Buddha nature, but step down from your high, high pedestal of "everyone is One" because the only person who defends you (Amit) is a quack, and other people have dismissed him as well. Your theory of everyone being one doesn't hold a candle, even to Intelligent Design."

First of all I am at your feet blessed guru, you are the one that taught me that it's all one conciousness I thank you.

And it is not a theory, it is fact. it validates itself by being all there ever is and was.


You said, "Greeeaaat, so now you're admittedly schitzophrenic. Do you talk to Amit too?"

No. But yes I am a madman, I wouldn't call myself that psychologial disorder.

"Magic Theature

For Madman only

Price of Admission your mind"


I paid the price, life is like a big acid flashback for me swordsman... it is just a dream... death, life, pleasure pain, loss gain, fame shame, all the same...



You said, "Oh, I'm not trying to convince you, no amount of proof can show a dogmatic idiot that he's wrong. I'm simply having this nice and public discussion which exposes just how MUCH of a dogmatic idiot you are, and just how worthless any comments you might have are in the long run, because you speak from your own little world where you believe that you are everyone and everyone is you."

It's a small world after all

it's a small world after all

It's a small word after all

a small small world


And again like I have said

I don't beleive it

I KNOW IT! and I am a beginner and have much sadhana to do great guru. As you know deep down.



You said, "Unfortunately, you are the one that is on his side. Not because you actually care, only because you're so enthralled with him that you might as well sleep with him. You don't really care about truth in any way, you only care about making what you believe true, by convincing others with quantum physics that are wrong."

If I was homosexual I would sleep with him, I would suck his cock and say thank you very much for helping all of humanity!

All I care about is the truth, Im not trying to convince others of anything, just work on myself (ganja prince, not the big SELF that we all share) through jnana yoga, which is using talking and thinking about the truth. So I can be a flower for bees to benifit from.
Although it would nice is everybody realized that it's all one, and saw the oneness... There would be no more holocausts.


You said, "YOU are a joke."

Yes. I am

You said, "But the problem is, it's not funny,"

Wavy Gravy said, "if you don't have a sense of humor it's just not funny"

I know you have a sense of cosmic humor deep down, know it... maybe it will take the physical death of your body to finally find it, but you will, you will learn to laugh at it all my friend.


You said, "See, this is your problem. You say ONLY this. You don't say anything that proves it. You can stand by what you said as much as you like, it doesn't make you any less wrong."

I say plenty that proves it, you just don't like my lover Amit Goswami, who like you said I have a crush on, I'm blinded by love, you know how it is, you are dating this girl that everybody calls a whore, but you don't care, you are madly in love with her none of it phases how you feel... so anybody can say anything about Goswami, show me five hundred books by five hundred scientists, a 3,000 pages essay on why he's a idiot signed by most of the scientific community... I would just giggle, I'm in love with him... Then I would look at my picture of Goswami and swoon.

You said, "So the best you can do is an LSD trip? Pathetic. I've had trips that have shown me God, Goddess, and everything in between, and yet none of them are real. If you're tripping on acid, what you see may give you insight, but what you see is not real by any means."

Uh, everything you think is real, this so called universe is not even here... its all empty as Buddha would cosmically joke.

The problem with acid users like you, is they disreguard what they learned from thier trips out of fear and clinging to the material plane... it's all right as my guru says, some can't bare the shock!

You said, "You really don't have a point without repeating yourself, do you? Is that ALL you've got?"

Look repeating myself is the nature of my practice... my jnana yoga that this is an example of. I mean, heres a story about my guru to help explain this repition.

My guru would always write in this diaries, every day he would write two pages, he would smile and giggle and have such a good time... all his devotees were curious about what was in thier, what words were in there...

After he left his body, they finally got to read them.

It was just book after book, pages after page of "ram ram ram ram ram ram ram ram"

That's it... a name of god. Baba taught "sub ek" it's all one. and this oneness is conciousness... it is the supreme truth... his rams were about him staying focused on it which is why he lived in the state he did.

So you see I see repeating things as a value, you see it something bad, why? because you can't see that place inside where you get it, yet... it is a tradegy.


You said, "And now, you make to pervert the sayings of other truly good people besides the Buddha, you make a move on Martin Luther King Jr. MLK Jr. believed in God, not in a universal consciousness, you dolt. You're taking his sayings out of context and contorting them to your will."

I disagree, he might have said that, but if you look it his eyes, he understood it was all one, he knew. That statement is just minor evidence of it... You have to read between the words to get his real message.

You said, "Again, it's not going to work. You have LOST, completely and utterly, this argument."

I'll translate for everybody reading this... here is what he really meant deep down, "Ram ram ram ram ram ram ram ram ram"

He wait a second that not Hikaru, that's Maharijji my guru, you rascal why are your pretending to be Hikaru.


And come on... don't you enjoy arguing, isn't that why you go on these forums?

 

A certain Bhikkhu once asked the Blessed Buddha:
Venerable Sir, how should one know and see, in order to eliminate all
ignorance and to facilitate the emergence of real and true knowledge?
In this, Bhikkhu, when one has heard that: Nothing is worth clinging to,
then one directly knows everything! Having directly known everything,
one fully understands everything! Having fully understood everything,
one sees & regards all aspects, signs & phenomena quite differently:
As something remote, as something alien, as something other, & neither
as something that is 'me' nor 'mine', nor as an 'I', a 'self, or an 'Ego'!
One regards the eye differently. One regards all forms differently.
One regards consciousness of the seen differently. One regards all
eye-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by eye-contact,
one also experiences that quite differently... As something remote...
One regards the ear differently. One regards all sounds differently.
One regards consciousness of the heard differently. One regards all
ear-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by ear-contact, one
also experiences that quite differently... As something fairly foreign...
One regards the nose differently. One regards all smells differently.
One regards consciousness of the smelled differently. One regards all
nose-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by nose-contact,
one experiences that too quite differently. As something somewhat alien!
One regards the tongue differently. One regards all tastes differently.
One regards consciousness of the tasted differently. One regards any
tongue-contact differently. Whatever feeling caused by tongue-contact
one also experiences that quite differently... As something superficial...
One regards the body differently. One regards all touches differently.
One regards consciousness of the touched differently. One regards all
body-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by body-contact,
one experiences that too very differently... As something rather external!
One regards the mind differently. One regards all thoughts differently.
One regards consciousness of the thought differently. One regards all
mental-contacts differently. Whatever feeling caused by mental-contact,
one also experiences that differently... As something utterly detached !!!
When, Bhikkhu, whoever knows & sees all signs thus, ignorance is left
behind by him and real and true knowledge has emerged...

The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book IV [50]
Section 35: On The 6 Senses. The Elimination of Ignorance: 80.

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At Savatthi the Blessed Buddha once said to his monks:
I will teach you the uncorrupted state, & the way to the uncorrupted state...
Bhikkhus, I will teach you the truth, & the way leading to this absolute truth... I will teach you the far shore ... the subtle ... the sublime ... the very difficult to see ... the unageing ... the stable ... the safe ... the undisintegrating ... the undecaying state ... the unmanifested ... the unproliferated ... the unclinging ... the untroubled silence ... the peaceful ... the supreme bliss ... the fortunate ... the wonderful ... the amazing ... the cooled craving ... disillusion ... purity ... freedom ... the island ... the shelter ... the assured asylum ... the final refuge ... the deathless destination ... Nibbāna...
Listen and pay alert attention to that, which can lead you to lasting happiness!!!
And what, bhikkhus is this Nibbāna... ?
The absence of all Greed, the stilling of all Hate, & the clearance of all Ignorance:
This is called the uncorrupted state of Nibbāna... And what, bhikkhus, is the very good way leading to this undying state of Nibbāna... ?

Awareness of the body as just a heap of organs is a way to this uncorrupted state ...
The four foundations of awareness is a way to this absolute truth ...
Serene calm and profound insight is a way to this the far shore ...
Absorption into concentrated directed thought & sustained examination is a way...
Absorption into emptiness, into signlessness, and into the uninclined is a way...
The four right efforts is a way to this the very difficult to see ...
The four roads to force is a way to this supreme bliss ...
The five pure abilities is a way to this purity ...
The five pure powers is a way to this freedom ...
The seven links to awakening is a way to this peace ...
The Noble 8-fold Way is a way to this deathless destination ...

These are ways leading to this Nibbāna ... I have now taught you the Nibbāna ... and the way leading to this Nibbāna... Whatever should be done, bhikkhus, by a considerate teacher out of sympathy for his disciples, wishing their sole welfare, that I have now done for you. There are roots of trees, bhikkhus, there are empty huts. Meditate, do not neglect your meditation, bhikkhus, otherwise you may come to bitterly regret it later. This is our instruction to you...

The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book IV [369-73]
Section 43: On The Unconsctructed. The way to the uninclined: 13-44.

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How very odd is it to see that someone believes that Buddhism is of the mind but not of the heart. What a concept.

- Om Ma Ni Pad Me Hum -

 

I believe you took that phrase out of context.

1) he was not refering to "a single consciousness", but rather to an aspect of consciousness.
2) the statement you quoted was not dealing primarily with consciousness, but rather a discussion on the meaning of Om Ma Ni Pa dMe Hum. A saying, or mantra, he himself created in a past incarnation (according to Tibetan Buddhist beliefs)

It's relatively easy to take something out of context to fit whatever ideology we wish to proliferate.

Consciousness does not preceed mind, rather mind preceeds consciousness. Mental Volition is a product of Ignorance. Consciousness is a product of Mental Volition. Mental and Physical aggregates, i.e., Name and Form, are a product of Consciousness. Consciousness is mere appearances based on the will to construct each moment by our own ignorance. And what is this ignorance? Clinging.

Clinging is a product of craving. Craving is a product of feelings. Feelings are a resultant product of contact. Contact is a product of the six base senses. Six Base Senses (eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, mind) are a product of Mental and Physical aggregates. Mental and Physical aggregates are a product of Consciousness. Consciousness is a product of Mental Volition. And Mental Volition is a product of ignorance.

All that produces existence, from ignorance to clinging. Existence results in birth, aging, sickness and death, sorrow, lamentation and despair. Suffering.

More of this gives rise to more of that.

There is a way to end "that", by eliminating "this", i.e., to put an end to death, one eliminates birth. To put an end to birth, one eliminates existence. To put an end to existence, one eliminates clinging. To put an end to clinging, one eliminates craving. To put an end to craving, one eliminates feelings. To put an end to feelings, one eliminates contact. To put an end to contact, one eliminates the six base senses. To put an end to the six base senses, one eliminates mental and physical aggregates. To put an end to the mental and physical aggregates, one eliminates consciousness. To put an end to consciousness, one eliminates mental volition. And finally, to put an end to mental volitions, one eliminates ignorances. So puts an end to the rounds of suffering. The continual round of Samsara.

What does suffering cause? When one clings to this, that arises. By clinging to suffering, more suffering arises ...

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LOL. Ganja Prince, are you REALLY arguing with a Buddhist monk about the true nature of Buddhism? Do you see the irony and humor in that? I find it quite entertaining.

I myself do not profess to know much at all, except that Buddhism is the right path for me. Perhaps someday I will possess such wisdom as you two.

Pizza, V-

 

true but can't we say this of any religious system as they are all heart based only to be corrupted by mental understandings?

 

Yeah it is pretty funny. Just because a guy becomes a buddhist monk or nun doesn't mean he/she gets that he'she has gotten the cosmic joke... and understanding Buddha's humor which is essentially to understanding his message. Darrel actually told me I need to be more serious... man, Here is my responce to what Darrel said in his previous posts and his telling me to be serious...


Q: How many Zen buddhists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Three -- one to change it, one to not-change it and one to both change- and not-change it.

Q: What happens when a Buddhist becomes totally absorbed with the computer he is working with?
A: He enters Nerdvana.


Q: What did one Zen practitioner give to another for his/her birthday?
A: Nothing.
Q: What did the birthday boy/girl respond in return?
A: You are thoughtless for giving me this meaningless gift.
To which the giver replied, "Thank you."


Q: Why are there so few Buddhist rhythm and blues bands?
A: Because Buddhists don't have any soul.

Wohooo! Lighten up! Religion was never meant to be a serious thing, it is a cosmic joke, aimed at lightening us up about life/death, and it all... going beyond suffering, and realizing the one conciousness.



bodhisattva with a sense of humor

Here she is speaking through this dude John.

​

"I am Quan Yin….

I come to give you the message that if you laugh, it will be easier to become love. Many ones think that this spiritual life is serious, that all ones should have straight faces and be thinking, "I am Love, I am Light. I will not enjoy myself because it is not spiritual. Laughing in the presence of Mother/Father God is not allowed."

I come to tell you that Mother/Father God loves laughter, and the main part of this message is - learn to laugh at yourselves. Because when you learn to laugh at yourselves, you will be able to let go of this seriousness, to let go of this fear and conditioning from which you all suffer. When you laugh, you will release waves of energy that ripple through the universe. Not only through the universe but through the multi-dimensional universes.

When you laugh in the third dimension many beings enjoy this laughter and laugh with you. So remember, make jokes about yourselves. It is a good way to get through your blocks, making jokes about yourselves. Learn to laugh when you see something in yourself, when you see habits, these habit patterns, within yourselves that you have been suffering from - energies that have been holding you back through fear. Let them go by laughter. Don't run around saying, "How can I deal with this? How can I let this go?"

Laugh! Laugh, because laughter is the essence of love.

And when you can laugh at yourself, remember that you are also being compassionate towards yourself. Many ones would say, "I am a compassionate being. I am compassionate to all." And then would add as an after thought, "But how can I be compassionate to myself?" How can you be a compassionate being if you are not compassionate to yourself? Being compassionate to oneself is true compassion. So learn to laugh." - John Armitage

 

GP: The Buddha is a cosmic jokester ... You are first of all taking the Buddha way too serious... he is a cosmic jokster! and this his his way of liberating you from concepts... sending your mind swinging in circles until it blows... He is about blowing your mind. (http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2072413#post2072413)

DK: And you, friend, are not taking The Buddha serious enough. (http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2073095#post2073095) :H

No, GanjaPrince, actually, I did not say that you "need to be more serious..."

DK: It's relatively easy to take something out of context to fit whatever ideology we wish to proliferate. (http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2084357#post2084357)

And that was a repeat just so there's no room for misrepresentation.

GP: "The fundamental principle of Buddhism is that the whole universe is in Limitless-Oneness, it is originally so, and pure, i.e., free from artificial limits of concepts, values and judgments" - Dr. Yutang Lin

"In Buddhism the highest spiritual ideal is to cultivate compassion for all sentient beings and to work for their welfare to the greatest possible extent."
- The Dalai Lama, The Universe in a Single Atom, Chapter: Reflection, page 10 (hardback edition).

The essence of Buddhism is this: Samyutta Nikaya, Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, Setting in Motion the Wheel of Truth
1) The Noble Truth of Suffering (Dukkha)
2) The Noble Truth of the Origin (cause) of Suffering
3) The Noble Truth of the Cessation of Suffering
4) And, The Noble Truth of the Path leading to the Cessation of Suffering, which is this The Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Action, Right Speech, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, and Right Concentration.

In understanding that "this is suffering", that birth is suffering, aging is suffering, sickness is suffering, death is suffering, association with the unloved is suffering, dissociation from the loved is suffering, not to get what one wants is suffering — in brief the five aggregates subject to grasping are suffering (matter, sensations, perceptions, mental volition, consciousness), we then generate compassion for all sentient beings with this motivation that all beings suffer.

In realizing that it is this craving (thirst) which produces re-becoming (rebirth) accompanied by passionate greed, and finding fresh delight now here, and now there, namely craving for sense pleasure, craving for existence and craving for non-existence (self-annihilation). And what is craving? Craving produces clinging. Craving is a product of Feeling. Feeling is a product of Contact. Contact is a product of the Six Base Senses. The Six Base are a product of Mental and Physical Aggregates (Name and Form). Name and Form is a product of Consciousness. Consciousness is a product of Mental Volition. Mental Volition is a product of Ignorance. Ignorance is the beginning of Clinging. Existence is a product of Clinging. Birth is a product of Existence. Aging, sickness, death ... sorrow, lamentation, grief and despair are a product of Birth.

In practicing the complete cessation of that very craving, giving it up, relinquishing it, liberating oneself from it, and detaching oneself from it, one attains freedom from ignorance ... peace ... Nibbana (a by-product, not a goal).

And what is the path to the complete cessation of craving, clinging, existence, birth, death, sorrow, lamentation, grief and despair? The Noble Eightfold Path, namely Sila (Morality: Right Action, Right Speech, Right Livelihood), Samadhi (Perfect Concentration: Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration), and Panna (Wisdom: Right View, Right Intention). Without Morality, there can be no Samadhi. Without Samadhi there can be no Panna.

In short, the essence of Buddhism is the Four Noble Truths. Plain and simple.

GP: Here is the The Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet ... "Though there are may different types of wisdom, the main of all these is the wisdom realizing emptiness. Purity must be achieved by an indivisible unity of method and wisdom, symbolized by the final syllable, HUM, which indicates indivisibility. According to the sutra system, this indivisibility of method and wisdom refers to one consciousness in which there is a full form of both wisdom affected by method and method affected by wisdom. In the mantra, or tantra vehicle, it refers to one conciousness in which there is the full form of both wisdom and method as one undifferentiable entity"

In which you've specifically placed special emphasis on "the one consciousness" in order to propagate an erroneous belief that all beings "share" the "same" consciousness ... I offer refuted statements also by the Fourtheenth Dalai Lama of Tibet: "As we experience it, consciousness is made up of myriad highly varied and often intense mental states. These are explicitly cognitive states, like belief, memory, recognition, and attention on the one hand, and explicitly affective states, like the emotions on the other. In addition, there seems to be a category of mental states that function primarily as casual factors in that they motivate us into action. These include volition, will, desire, fear, and anger. Even within the cognitive states, we can draw distinctions between sensory perceptions, such as visual perception, which has a certain immediacy in relation to objects being perceived, and conceptual thought processes, such as imagination or the subsequent recollection of a chosen object." -- The Universe In A Single Atom, The Question of Consciousness, page 122, 123 (hardback edition)

Dependent Origination (Second Noble Truth): Ignorance gives support to Volition (there seems to be a category of mental states that function primarily as casual factors in that they motivate us into action ... volition, will, desire, fear, and anger). Volition gives support to Consciousness (consciousness is made up of myriad highly varied and often intense mental states). Consciousness gives support to Name and Form. Name and Form gives support to The Six Base Senses (eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, mind). The Six Base gives support to Contact. Contact gives support to Feeling. Feeling gives support to Craving. Craving gives support to Clinging. Now we're back in the vicious cycle of Ignorance ... all of which lends support to Existence (Becoming). Existence gives support to Birth. Birth has as its resulting factors aging, sickness, death, sorrow, lamentation, grief and despair.

One cannot experience compassion ... true compassion as compassion and not as pity ... for other beings (sentient or non-sentient) until one comes to a full realization: that there is suffering in the world; that all beings experience this suffering; the origin of suffering; that there is a cessation to suffering; and that there is a path that leads to the cessation of suffering.

Well ... I've been repeating my self on The Noble Eightfold Path. So ... what is The Noble Eightfold Path?

What is Right View? Knowledge of suffering, knowledge of the origin of suffering, knowledge of the cessation of suffering, and knowledge of the way leading to the cessation of suffering.

What is Right Intention? is Intention of renunciation, intention of non-ill will, and intention of not harming.

What is Right Action? Abstaining from killing living beings, abstaining from taking what is not given, and abstaining from misconduct in sensual pleasures.

What is Right Speech? Abstaining from false speech, abstaining from malicious speech, abstaining from harsh speech, and abstaining from idle chatter.

What is Right Livelihood? Here a noble disciple, having abandoned wrong livelihood, earns his living by right livelihood. Abandoning trading in goods that leads to the harm of sentient beings. Abandoning the trading of sentient beings for profit.

What is Right Effort? Here a one awak;ens zeal for the non-arising of unarisen evil unwholesome states, and he makes effort, arouses energy, exerts his mind, and strives. He awakens zeal for the abandoning of arisen evil unwholesome states, and he makes effort, arouses energy, exerts his mind, and strives. He awakens zeal for the arising of unarisen wholesome states, and he makes effort, arouses energy, exerts his mind, and strives. He awakens zeal for the continuance, non-disappearance, strengthening, increase, and fulfilment by development of arisen wholesome states, and he makes effort, arouses energy, exerts his mind, and strives.

What is Right Mindfulness? Here.a one abides contemplating the body as a body, ardent, fully aware, and mindful, having put away covetousness and grief for the world. He abides contemplating feelings as feelings, ardent, fully aware, and mindful, having put away covetousness and grief for the world. He abides contemplating mind as mind, ardent, fully aware, and mindful, having put away covetousness and grief for the world. He abides contemplating mind-objects as mind-objects, ardent, fully aware, and mindful, having put away covetousness and grief for the world.

What is Right Concentration? It is Here, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, one enters upon and abides in the first jhana, which is accompanied by applied and sustained thought, with rapture and pleasure born of seclusion. With the stilling of applied and sustained thought, he enters upon and abides in the second jhana, which has self-confidence and singleness of mind without applied and sustained thought, with rapture and pleasure born of concentration. With the fading away as well of rapture, he abides in equanimity, and mindful and fully aware, still feeling pleasure with the body, he enters upon and abides in the third jhana, on account of which noble ones announce: 'He has a pleasant abiding who has equanimity and is mindful.' With the abandoning of pleasure and pain, and with the previous disappearance of joy and grief, he enters upon and abides in the fourth jhana, which has neither-pain-nor-pleasure and purity of mindfulness due to equanimity.

-- Digha Nikaya 22 Mahasatipatthana Satta

Oops ... I guess that means that true compassion cannot come about without Right View ... Hmmm ... ???

Mutually Dependent Causes and Conditions ... With this, that ... Suchness ...

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This might ... just might ... be true if we were speaking about a religion. Unfortunately, in this context, I do not practice Buddhism as a religion or a philosophy ... more as a truth and a way of life.

Clinging to Rules and Rituals are also hinderances to Nibbana. However, I do practice the Theravada principles to assist those individuals who "do" practice Buddhism as a religion or a philosophy. After all, they assist me in my quest for elimination of suffering, the least I can do is assist them in their quest for religious needs. Even The Buddha knew there were those who wouldn't be able to understand the principle ideals of his discovery. Eventually they will. Maybe not in this lifetime ... but eventually they will.

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"There are these five clinging-aggregates: form as a clinging-aggregate, feeling as a clinging-aggregate, perception as a clinging-aggregate, fabrications as a clinging-aggregate, consciousness as a clinging-aggregate. These five clinging-aggregates are the self-identification"

"The craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there — i.e., craving for sensual pleasure, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming: This is the origination of self-identification"

"The remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, & letting go of that very craving: This is the cessation of self-identification"

"Precisely this noble eightfold path — right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration: This is the way of practice leading to the cessation of self-identification"

"Neither is clinging the same thing as the five clinging-aggregates, nor is it something separate. Whatever desire & passion there is with regard to the five clinging-aggregates, that is the clinging there."

"There is the case where an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma — assumes form (the body) to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form.

"He assumes feeling to be the self...

"He assumes perception to be the self...

"He assumes (mental) fabrications to be the self...

"He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness. This is how self-identification comes about."

"There is the case where a well-instructed disciple of the noble ones — who has regard for noble ones, is well-versed & disciplined in their Dhamma; who has regard for men of integrity, is well-versed & disciplined in their Dhamma — does not assume form to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form.

"He does not assume feeling to be the self...

"He does not assume perception to be the self...

"He does not assume fabrications to be the self...

"He does not assume consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in consciousness. This is how self-identification does not come about."

"The noble eightfold path is fabricated."

"The three aggregates are not included under the noble eightfold path but the noble eightfold path is included under the three aggregates. Right speech, right action, & right livelihood come under the aggregate of morality. Right effort, right mindfulness, & right concentration come under the aggregate of concentration. Right view & right resolve come under the aggregate of wisdom."

"Singleness of mind is concentration; the four frames of reference are its themes; the four right exertions are its requisites; and any cultivation, development, & pursuit of these qualities is its development."

"What are fabrications?"

"These three fabrications: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, & mental fabrications."

"But what are bodily fabrications? What are verbal fabrications? What are mental fabrications?"

"In-&-out breaths are bodily fabrications. Directed thought & evaluation are verbal fabrications. Perceptions & feelings are mental fabrications."

"But why are in-&-out breaths bodily fabrications? Why are directed thought & evaluation verbal fabrications? Why are perceptions & feelings mental fabrications?"

"In-&-out breaths are bodily; these are things tied up with the body. That's why in-&-out breaths are bodily fabrications. Having first directed one's thoughts and made an evaluation, one then breaks out into speech. That's why directed thought & evaluation are verbal fabrications. Perceptions & feelings are mental; these are things tied up with the mind. That's why perceptions & feelings are mental fabrications."

"How does the attainment of the cessation of perception & feeling come about?"

"The thought does not occur to one as he is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling that 'I am about to attain the cessation of perception & feeling' or that 'I am attaining the cessation of perception & feeling' or that 'I have attained the cessation of perception & feeling.' Instead, the way his mind has previously been developed leads him to that state."

"But when one is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling, which things cease first: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, or mental fabrications?"

"When one is attaining the cessation of perception & feeling verbal fabrications cease first, then bodily fabrications, then mental fabrications."

"How does emergence from the cessation of perception & feeling come about?"

"The thought does not occur to one as he is emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling that 'I am about to emerge from the cessation of perception & feeling' or that 'I am emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling' or that 'I have emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling.' Instead, the way his mind has previously been developed leads him to that state."

"But when one is emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling, which things arise first: bodily fabrications, verbal fabrications, or mental fabrications?"

"When one is emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling mental fabrications arise first, then bodily fabrications, then verbal fabrications."

"When one has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling how many contacts make contact?"

"When one has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling three contacts make contact: contact with emptiness, contact with the signless, & contact with the undirected."

"When one has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling to what does his mind lean, to what does it tend, to what does it incline?"

"When one has emerged from the cessation of perception & feeling his mind leans to seclusion, tends to seclusion, inclines to seclusion."

"Now how many kinds of feeling are there?"

"These three kinds of feeling: pleasant feeling, painful feeling, & neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling."

"What is pleasant feeling? What is painful feeling? What is neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling?"

"Whatever is experienced physically or mentally as pleasant & gratifying is pleasant feeling. Whatever is experienced physically or mentally as painful & hurting is painful feeling. Whatever is experienced physically or mentally as neither gratifying nor hurting is neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling."

"In what way is pleasant feeling pleasant and in what way painful?"

"Pleasant feeling is pleasant in remaining, & painful in changing. Painful feeling is painful in remaining & pleasant in changing. Neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling is pleasant in occurring together with knowledge, and painful in occurring without knowledge."

"What obsession gets obsessed with pleasant feeling? What obsession gets obsessed with painful feeling? What obsession gets obsessed with neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling?"

"Passion-obsession gets obsessed with pleasant feeling. Resistance-obsession gets obsessed with painful feeling. Ignorance-obsession gets obsessed with neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling."

"Does passion-obsession get obsessed with all pleasant feeling? Does resistance-obsession get obsessed with all painful feeling? Does ignorance-obsession get obsessed with all neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling?"

"No..."

"But what is to be abandoned with regard to pleasant feeling? What is to be abandoned with regard to painful feeling? What is to be abandoned with regard to neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling?"

"Passion-obsession is to be abandoned with regard to pleasant feeling. Resistance-obsession is to be abandoned with regard to painful feeling. Ignorance-obsession is to be abandoned with regard to neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling."

"Is passion-obsession to be abandoned with regard to all pleasant feeling? Is resistance-obsession to be abandoned with regard to all painful feeling? Is ignorance-obsession to be abandoned with regard to all neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling?"

"No... There is the case where one — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters & remains in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. With that he abandons passion. No passion-obsession gets obsessed there. There is the case where one considers, 'O when will I enter & remain in the dimension that those who are noble now enter & remain in?' And as he thus nurses this yearning for the unexcelled liberations, there arises within him sorrow based on that yearning. With that he abandons resistance. No resistance-obsession gets obsessed there. There is the case where one, with the abandoning of pleasure & pain — as with the earlier disappearance of elation & distress — enters & remains in the fourth jhana: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither pleasure nor pain. With that he abandons ignorance. No ignorance-obsession gets obsessed there."

"Passion lies on the other side of pleasant feeling."

"Resistance lies on the other side of painful feeling."

"Ignorance lies on the other side of neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling."

"Clear knowing lies on the other side of ignorance."

"Release lies on the other side of clear knowing."

"Unbinding lies on the other side of release."

"What lies on the other side of Unbinding?"

"You've gone too far. You can't keep holding on up to the limit of questions. For the holy life gains a footing in Unbinding, culminates in Unbinding, has Unbinding as its final end."

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Friend Sariputta, it is because I have seen, known and directly experienced the momentary arising & ceasing of the eye, eye-consciousness, and any phenomena recognizable by eye-consciousness, that I indeed regard them all thus: This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self...

Furthermore: It is because I have seen, known & directly experienced the momentary arising & ceasing of the ear, ear-consciousness, & any phenomena recognizable by ear-consciousness, the nose, consciousness of the smelled, & any phenomena recognizable by such nose-consciousness, the tongue, tongue-consciousness, and any phenomena recognizable by tongue-consciousness, the body, body-consciousness, and any phenomena recognizable by tactile body-consciousness, the mind, mental-consciousness, any phenomena recognizable by mental-consciousness, that I now indeed consider all these states thus: This is not mine, this I am not, this is not my self...

Then Venerable Mahacunda said to Venerable Channa: Then friend Channa, this teaching of the Buddha is to be given acute, constant & close attention:

In any dependence, there is unstable wavering!
In independence, there is no unstable wavering!

When there is no wavering, then there is tranquillity. When there is tranquillity, there is no inclination, no bias, no bending, neither attraction nor any repulsion...

When there is no such inclination, then there is neither any coming nor any going! When there is no coming & going, there is no passing away nor any being reborn...

When there is neither passing away nor being reborn, then there is neither here, nor beyond, nor in between the two.

This itself is the very End of all Suffering...

The Grouped Sayings of the Buddha. Samyutta Nikaya. Book IV
Section 35: On The 6 Senses. Channa: 87.

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that is word jugglery that any religionist would speak likewise... anyways, i think one opens themselves up to a self imposed deception living reality through literal truths found upon pages prone to collect dust and other such ways one could get lost in verbal clutter

 

just went back and read this thread... was a good read... thank you everyone who said something or nothing... love you all! peace out and peace in

 

Buddhism -- that is, the things that the Buddha taught -- is not a religion, it is a philosophical doctrine that requires intense single-point concentration, deep meditation on the nature of reality, suffering, and morality, and if followed, is a path that leads to the cessation of suffering.

Buddhism that worships the Buddha is not what he taught, and thus is arguably not Buddhism; such a "religion" is a joke.

But the Buddha definitely meant what he said seriously. Not all the time of course, who can live without jokes? But the doctrine of Buddhism was written down, not because it's a funny joke that should be told to future generations, but because it's a useful, deep, and rigorous techinque that can help one achieve inner peace and end their own suffering.

There is, of course, a difference between Buddhism as a "religion" and Buddhism as a philosophically-minded doctrine. I think what Darrell is saying is, there is a difference, and he's referring to the doctrine, not the religion. The religion is not what the Buddha taught.