As most of you all know, NORML recently did THC/Tar ratio tests and basically the unfiltered joint came in first as being the most effective smoking device. Bongs were considered to be less effective and u needed to smoke more to get the same effect. But wtf, everyone always complains how they never get high off of joints yet bongs always have people soaring. What the hell, if joints are so effective at delivering thc, why don't we just smoke joints?
is say that test was bullshit, bongs get you way higher becuz its more THC in each hit plus you can inhale more.
they didn't test the gravity bong??? lol well I like smokin joints but I do think a bowl gets me more toasted and I need to smoke less...though joints do get me TOASTED sometimes, so much that my eyes are so red it hurts.
I wouldn't think that joints is the best way to smoke. I mean, not only are you getting more harmful smoke from the paper burning, but also from the adhesive strip, which I'm sure gives off some nasty shit when burned. I personally rarely ever smoke joints. If you don't roll them just right, then they burn too fast/slow, or they don't hit well. I just prefer to load up a pipe/bong. Also, with a water bong you're eliminating alot of the nastier chemicals that comes from the smoke.
Waterfalls are the most effective 1 gets you severly stoned. Im not a big joint smoker never have been so i usually always smoke bongs mainly gravity bongs but when i smoke a joint i dont really feel that stoned i do get a bit stoned but nothing like what i get from bongs.
I agree with you there....vaporizer....*drool* ...the best way... Does it seem like the high doesn't last as long when you smoke out of a bong? That's because when you smoke out of a bong, or even a pipe with a tight screen, you are pulling harder than you would with a joint, and your brain isn't getting as much oxygen as it needs, so in turn, increases the feeling that your high. AreYouExperienced-yes, you do eliminate most of the nasty chemicals when you smoke out of a bong, but you are also filtering out precious THC, so you will end up smoking more and wasting more. Keep on smokin
EclecticMariJayne I think you're wrong there, THC is not water soluble, so it doesn't dissolve in water, in other words you don't lose any THC in the water when smoking out of a bong, you only lose the nasty chemicals. On the other hand THC IS alcohol soluble, so if you use alcohol in a bong, only then are you losing THC.
My freind rolled me a perfect joint and we got real stoned off of it. But a few days later i smoked the same shit (different nug duh) with a bong and got even higher. so i think that joint think maybe bullshit
i dont know man, i smoke joints and i get high, but when i smoke out of a bong after its been a streatch of joints and pipes, i get fucking trashed. arent mermaids awesome?
Blunts have always worked the best for me. It might be because my first experience with a blunt was awesome tho and I just can't get enough of them now. It was about a year and a half ago when I first smoked a blunt. Back in the day I used to smoke only bowls and I used to get schwag and mids. My boy comes into school one day with some banging ass shit. This was some one hit wonder shit. We smoked a blunt of this shit even with a couple more people. We were blazed as hell. Especially me. It's probably the highest I've been to this day. Ever since then I have been hooked on blunts. The reason I chose what smoking device I use is not always how high I get though. There are other factors involved sometimes. And sometimes it's what I'm in the mood for. Joints I really don't like much because of the taste... they are for either when I'm out and don't have a blunt or if I'm in the mood. Blunts... netime is a good time for them. Not only do I like how high I get with them, I also love the taste. Berry/Strawberry phillies and vanilla dutchies are my favs. Bongs are cool because u can usually get some beast ass hits from them. I like bowls becuase if u have ur own its cool because while blunts and jays u just get rid of, bowls are little personalized smoking devices... they're like an old pal... lol So in my opinion its not always what gets u the highest... its the whole smoking ritual
Actually, THC isn't water soluable (as someone already said), so you can load up your bong with confidence knowing you're getting the full experience.
No shit, the first time I got high i smoked 2 packed black & milds of some low-mids. God that got me so fucked up.. I remember just sittin in my friends garage laughing my fucking ass off for literally an hour. I just kept laughing and laughing at abosuletly nothing. Me and her were supposed to go to our Homecoming that night, but we were so fucking stoned that we showed up at halftime. I remember seeing all the people, everything looked so different, and I felt like i was just gliding above the ground as we walked to the bleachers. I remember meeting up with my friends on the bleachers and just being so high I couldn't even communicate. None of my friends had tried weed at that point (expect for like 2 who did it once). After that day, every time I smoke a packed black & mild I don't get that high, but I still get higher than smoking any other method. Although I need to try the waterfall bong, I've been meaning to for a long while now.
That just doesn't make sense. When a joint is burned, a lot of the smoke gets away. There is a sever cache of resin and THC near the end when it starts to get there. I guess that could be the only way you could get higher from a joint under circumfstances. A bong is just superior to everything but vaporizers.
yeah man bongs get you way higher man. with joints you waste weed to. i like joints man but if you are low on dank, bongs are the way to go. Gravity ALl the way
joints came in first as being the most effective smoking device IN TERMS OF THC/TAR RATIO! THIS DOES MAKE SENSE... not only is hot smoke being filtered through the weed in the joint, but because of its hot temperature, it vaporizes the thc in the weed that it is passin through,, so the hit you inhale DEFINATELY has a better THC/tar ratio. the reasons bongs are less effective in thc/tar ratio is because water filters thc from the smoke as welll as tar, meaning you need more smoke to equal the same amount of thc, thats why you smoke (inhale) more. the reason most people dont smoke joints all the time is that its probably the least efficient in CONSERVING weed. weed goes up in smoke with joints without ever reaching your lungs. people sometimes fuck up joints when they roll them, maybe they dont hit too well, too tight, burn too fast on one side, they fall apart, whatever, they dont always work from mechanical failure, bowls are easier to use without making mistakes. tar goes into your lungs pretty much unfiltered. smoke contact with water in bongs as well as too much cooling of the smoke (thc vapor thc condenses and sticks to yur bong) only increases your tar intake. without including vaporizers, joints win in best thc/tar ratio.
THC isnt water soluble when its in its solid state. when its in its vapor from, as it is in smoke, and is bubbled through water, i can promise you THC is sticking all over the place in the water. bongs make for it by cooling the smoke so that you can comfortably inhale larger volumes of smoke, and if you like to cough you can inhale so much that it gets you sooosooo ripped.
ive got pappers, a nice glass pipe, a 2 foot dragon bong, a 3 foot acrylic , and a bubbler all at my reach, and a good homeade vaporizer, so i use wut ever i feel like, if im low on buds i use the vaporizer cuz lil bit gets u nice an high and its smooth and clean.
i think bongs are better but i can understand a joint because you smoke all of it usually and leave no resin (like a bong or bowl) rather smoke bong though and scrape bowl for resin
Optical, I didn't think somethings physical state had an effect on it's solubility. Do you have a source online about this? I want to read more about it. Also, what about the tars that are dissolved in the water? Wouldn't the THC/Tar ratio be leaning a lot further to the THC side if all the tar had been dissolved? I know that I have a double-chambered bong that I made myself. It gets tugged into the right unfilitered at first, and the smoke looks dirty. But, when I pull it into the other, there's not as much smoke, but the smoke that's there is a solid white color. I didn't think THC was water-solluble in vapor form, though. *Thinks* Also, I'm not quite sure the temperature of a burning joint is enough to vaporize the THC out of weed that it passes through. The boiling point for THC is 492 F, and that would make for a really hot joint. "teufelfisch As a chemistry major, I'm here to tell you that nothing is *completely* insoluble in water. Absolutely nothing. THC's solubility in water is quite low, however, about 2 μg/ml — so low that for all means and purposes can be considered completely insoluble in water. This question intrigued me (how does it dissolve in the bloodstream?), so I did a little research on it. It seems that things that are lipid and fat soluble (like THC) are more readily absorbed through your lungs and into your bloodstream than things that are water soluble. The lipids in your blood then surround the drug particles and form a kind of micro-emulsion. The drug can then be freely transported throughout your body. I also found this article, and found it interesting. Jarho P., Pate D.W., Brenneisen R., Järvinen T. Hydroxypropyl-b-cyclodextrin and its combination with hydroxypropyl-methylcellulose increases aqueous solubility of D9-tetrahydrocannabinol. Life Sci. 1998; 63: 381-384. D9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the main psychoactive constituent of Cannabis sativa L. and its therapeutic effects are currently under intensive study. However, THC has a very low aqueous solubility (1-2 μg/mL), which restricts its use as a pharmaceutical. The present study demonstrates that THC forms a drug-cyclodextrin complex in an aqueous solution of hydroxypropyl-b-cyclodextrin (HP-b-CD), resulting in a thousand-fold increase in THC solubility. This improvement in solubility can be further increased by adding 0.1% hydroxypropylmethycellulose to the HP-b-CD solution. The present results suggest that the use of cyclodextrins might be a simple and useful method to overcome the poor water solubility of THC. " I'm not so sure just what μg/ml is, but I'm pretty sure it's smaller than an ng/ml, which is pretty damn small. So, it doesn't seem like THC's solubility in water would have much effect at all. I would think that it would even out with the amount of THC that is burnt off a joint.
