How safe is ordering...

Discussion in 'Synthetic Drugs' started by joechip, Dec 20, 2005.

  1. joechip

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    A friend of mine would very much like to order some non-scheduled but possibly analogue RC's. This friend lives in the United States. He has legitimate sources in other countries but not in the United States. If he ordered them, he would probably have to order them to his own house or to a P.O. Box (or Mailboxes etc.) that was registered in his own name. This friend is not worried about being arrested for ordering RC's. The one thing he is worried about is having his house raided as a result of ordering. For various social and psychological reasons, this would be completely unacceptable, even more so than being simply arrested for purchasing these chemicals.

    Given the above scenario, taken quite literal, how safe would this friend be if he ordered RC's?
     
  2. Orange Sunshine Vet

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    The all seeing eye asks you this. Have you ever rolled dice?
     
  3. Mr.Mush

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    Your fate Is In The Hands Of The Shaman.
     
  4. The Flow

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    Principally, nobody´s house could be raided for just ordering non-scheduled chemicals. But reality doesn´t always follow the law...

    And if the chemicals could fall under the analogue act, the situation changes completely.

    But how should the police/customs/DEA find out that he ordered? I can´t imagine, that they survey every visitor of a RC-vendor site. It´s almost impossible (technically). So the only point where they can get him is the moment, when the RCs cross the border...
     
  5. nofx1422

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    If someone was to order something like DOC, would it test positive to an amphetamine test?
    I cant imagine thjis happening for any of the phenethylamines or tryptamines, but might be weary
    of ordering amps, in case customs decide to test it?
     
  6. joechip

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    Given the wording of the Analogue Act, it's very difficult to determine which chemicals fall under it.

    Do 2C-I and 2C-E?

    How about 2C-T-4? (Here we're getting closer to 2C-T-7, which is scheduled!)

    Agreed, that's the only danger point. Do we know of any real world situations where this has triggered a raid?
     
  7. The Flow

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    Unfortunately yes!
     
  8. joechip

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    Any details on which RC and how much was ordered, etc?
     
  9. The Flow

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    I know about dozens of cases with a large variety of substances...
    The larger an order is, the more you´re in danger to be raided without any warning. If it´s only a small amount (for personal consumption), you might be lucky, that a raid is too much work for the pigs.
    It is more dangerous to order pressed pills than just powder packed in a zipper bag. Look out for vendors who send via courier services like UPS or FedEx (customs don´t check these letters so often), avoid ordinary mail.
     
  10. joechip

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    Were the people charged and if so what were they charged with?

    I wasn't aware that the analogue laws had ever been invoked for mere possession.
     
  11. GTA83

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    Wow I never knew of this either, it seemed most people that have ordered have had no problems, was this in the US?
     
  12. Orange Sunshine Vet

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    I read during Operation Web Trip, back in July 23, 2003, that there where a few people busted for ordering RC's. They where the ones that ordered more then 3+ grams or more RC's at a time. And they where the people that ordered only from the vender's that got busted. The vender's never deleted the customers info.
     
  13. The Flow

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    Most cases I know of were in Europe. Two times, friends of mine were involved.
    In one case, only a small amount was ordered, but the pigs raided the house anyway. This guy got away with a money penalty.
    In the other case small amounts of illegal chems and a larger amount of a non-scheduled substance were ordered. When the pigs raided the house, they found a couple of weed plants - which made 2 yrs for the guy who grew them.
     
  14. illuminati boy

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    2 years for plants… that sounds like law and order Bavaria…

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  15. The Flow

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    Well, the penalty was so high, because it was more than for personal needs only.
     
  16. oOflyeyesOo

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    If it gets caught then it would probably be at customs, they would just send you a love letter or something, doubt anything will happen.
     
  17. The Flow

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    You don´t know german customs... :mad:
     
  18. oOflyeyesOo

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    How is german customs? Cause in the US they normally dont go any farther than a letter, fuck I know people who have got like half a kilo of coke caught, still just a love letter, it had no return address, it could just be some random crazy person who sent it, right? They dont normally waste time.
     
  19. The Flow

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    The really big problem when you send chemicals is, that there could be holes in the package (don´t laugh, some people can´t even pack chemicals correctly). I know of 3 (!) cases, where customs were alarmed by white powder running out of an envelope. One of this cases happened shortly after anthrax was found in letters in the US 4 years ago. I think you can guess what happened then...

    Customs in Germany make random tests with letters. Normal thin letters are no problem. But if your letter is thicker than 3mm, there´s the possibility that it becomes checked (customs don´t say, how big the chance is, but I guess they check approx. every 10th letter). First of all, the letter becomes x-rayed (or sth. like that), if it seems suspicious, customs are allowed to open it.
    During the late 90s, SWIM ordered 2C-B several times from a vendor in South Africa. The vendor declared the material (pressed in pills) as a med against male impotence. That really worked! Those letters were opened 3 times at the Frankfurt airport - and they let it through every time! (and 2C-B was illegal here already...)
    Conclusion: if you send chemicals, just declare them as anything legal (fertilizer, vitamins, fungizides, cleaners... whatever comes to your mind and sounds unsuspicious). Customs don´t want to make themselves too much work. If a description sounds plausible, they will believe it!
     
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