Fear and Loathing is overrated

Discussion in 'Drug Books' started by Billy Brown, Dec 8, 2004.

  1. Archemetis

    Archemetis Senior Member

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    well when you put it like that, why would anyone want to read anything at all? i mean...their just other peoples words and thoughts...

    these authors wrote about far more than simply getting wasted.
     
  2. Billy Brown

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    it's pretty weird that this thread started heating back up again and then, bam, hunter killed himself. crazy bastard...

    "Fiction is based on reality unless you're a fairy-tale artist," Thompson told The Associated Press in 2003. "You have to get your knowledge of life from somewhere. You have to know the material you're writing about before you alter it."
     
  3. BlackDog

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    Big sack of bull shit.....its called real journalism...not this follow the rules shit today
     
  4. measa420

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  5. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    I think FAL has stayed in high profile for a couple of reasons.

    First it was groundbreaking and was a shock to what was reporting at the time.
    In J schools today, you will find professors who will assign this as part of a study on New Journalism, along with the more sedate Tome Woolf, Gay Talese and others.
    I had FLA and Tangerine Flake candy coated Streamline baby in the same unit. Vastly different, but Wolfe 's writing encouraged HST to push the envelope.
    And what was one side of the envelope then? drugs. the word struck more fear longer than "outlaw bikers." Look at the anti-drug hysteria today.
    Secondly, his stream-of-consciousness prose echoed the only major literary movement that was born in his lifetime: Beats.
    Although HST was a Hemmingway fan, spare prose was not for him. He was kinetic and he let that go through in his words...like a case of the itch from the back seat of "Dean Moriarty's" Hudson.
    Think of the impact these writings had in their birth time.
    NO ONE did this. THere were not billions of Web sites filled with rantings (the blog as gonzo? hmmmm) Books were still being censored by store choice and the paperback, aside from pulp, was still fighting for market share (thank you, Lawrence Ferlinghetti )
    Third that lead in FAL is as good as it gets. That is an opening that makes people stay in the book.

    Think I'll order a shot of Wild Turkey. Requesat en Pax.
     
  6. gillianwind

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    I never read the book but i recently saw the movie. I saw the South Park movie too. south Park was better and less discusting. I don't think it's funny, I don't think its artistic, I don't think it's interesting. I think it's stupid and gross.
     
  7. Treymayne

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    It was ok it was better than some of the books Irvine Welsh has written I thought it was better than Ecstasy. My favorite book was Acid House particullarly when the guy takes acid and trades souls with the baby just being born. Acid house the movie was ok to but the book was best. Allthough the movie did a good portrayl of the whole acid trip part. But on the whole there was just alot of stuff in the book they could never put in a movie not even in Europe.
     
  8. The Stig

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    I guess any other HST fans here will understand when I say that I am sorry that the depth and purpose of his writing escapes some of you.

    Before condemning his style as shallow entertainment I encourage you to delve a bit deeper into his work. I'm looking at my collection of his books right now, and I cannot fathom overlooking some of these works. How could anyone think he was merely "high off his ass in a hotel room", HST is widely regarded as one of the most brilliant and effective political analysts of the 20th century. Read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72, or the volumes of gonzo papers.

    A truly amazing and interesting person, both blessed and cursed with a gift. I am inexplicably fascinated by his personality and his outlooks on life... and for a strange reason is saddens me to see his reputation tarnished here. If you picked up FAL looking for a book about drugs that is exactly what you will find.

    My .02

    Mike
     
  9. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    I really don't think a person who has not read the book is qualified to comment in books. I'm sure there is a thread or eight thousand for this in movies, too.

    And Mike the Stig, I agree that people find what they seek in any printed book. Just look at the limitations of fundamentalist religions of any flavour.

    Welcome to the boards, brother!
     
  10. SunLion

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    I think it's over-rated. I've not read all his stuff, but it's the weakest of anything I've read by him (except for that book of his correspondence, which is mostly dull but hilarious in a few places). That said, he was brilliant, truly an American great.
     
  11. drumminmama

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    letters usually are dull: they are the Arkansas stones of the publishing writer...kinda like the Net these days!
     
  12. kozmikbunny

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    HST is all over your heads. You need to be truley Gonzo to understand that.
     
  13. THUDLY

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    HST's early work--"Angels " , the two "Fear and Loathing" books and his work for "Rolling Stone"-- was his best. He could be gut-hurting funny, perceptive and irritating, sometimes in the same paragraph. After that, he was merely beating the same dead horse and trying to live up to his self-created literary persona. He reminded me of Hemingway in his last years--written out and a prisoner of his own legend. Sad.
     
  14. rbasm

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    haha people who thinks its just about drugs obviously haven't read or can't read the book so they should just leave this forum completly, and the people who thinks its boring can do the same. The actual story is about some crazy trip but the entire book isn't about that at all. Someone called it lazy...like fuck, do you not know how to read or something. Shit man its not lazy its just saying way more than you can understand. and ya I do like rum diary better too
     
  15. Doraemon

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    couldn't agree more. It's really badly written; full of "statements" rather than imagery...it's all like "we did this and then he did this and then we did this and he passed out". And I'm not convinced that there are as many layers to it as some of you are saying. What are these hidden subtexts? There's the "American Dream" thing I suppose, and the book is satirising that notion; but, as themes in novels go, thats not overly complex...
     
  16. IntrepidTrips

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    Personaly i love HST as an aouthor and in his way of life. He did what he did unapologeticly. I think Kingdom of fear and Generation of swine were much better books. I do agree that fear and loathing is over rated but it was a work of fiction. A storey used to entertain. I think it did a good job of entertaining but i like hst's political commentary far better. I enjoy the spectical and think that human relation is far more interesting than any actucal event.
     
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    "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. "
    Hunter S. Thompson If you dont understand this quote then youll never understand HST...
     
  18. ElChivato

    ElChivato SeNioR MeMBeR

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    fear and loathing is a great book! i loved it.
     
  19. clementinexo

    clementinexo hip *****s sucks.

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    its a good read. i don't care whether it is overrated or not.
    i can't stand people who chose to dislike something thats popular. stupid.
     
  20. hippie_chick666

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    I think Fear and Loathing is a great read. HST was a great author. Most genuises aren't recognized until after their death, and I feel that Hunter is no exception. I love his works.

    Peace and love
     

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