Well, as some of you know, I have a bit of salvia coming from iamshaman.com... 6x, 10x and (5x free gift One of the main reasons (almost the only reason) I have ever done drugs was to learn, become a better person, and try to gain wisdom or even insight into something more meaningful in life... - Lots of people don't get it... but its true.. When I was younger, LSD has changed me, and made my life awesome. I can not say anything but awesome things about that drug... It picked me up off the bottom, and showed me how to make my life good, successful, and meaningful. This is why after months I have decided to try saliva... To those that have done it, or more so, are regular with it.. Have you found salvia to be somewhat of a life changing drug? Also, and a bigger question.. after doing all the reading about Salvia, (there are two of us now , and hearing how people on it "see other people", - we are both wondering if anyone believes there might be more to it than just "a dream"... Anyone think it might be something like "a window to another world?", or maybe some kind of way of contacting souls, or real spirits of other people? I Remember someone on here wrote that a person started talking to them, and another person came over to them and said "don't talk to him, he is not staying long". Even more so, many people have seen a woman... (Sally). - does everyone see her as someone different? - or does she look the same to people usually? has anyone ever tried to draw a sketch of her? Anyhow, its late, I might be sounding nuts by now... but its something I'm really into. Looking forward to the experience... Soc
Indeed so. I've come to many realizations thanks to the divine mint. Nope. At least, I don't believe that anymore. I used to for a little while, but I realized it was foolish to believe such. That is NOT to say that, whatever causes most people to feel the presence of a female deitic entity, does not have a powerful lesson to teach ... Usually. More like someTHING different, though. I drew a personification of her a while ago, but it's pretty bad and I don't have the faculties to scan it and show it to you anyway. It was more a daydream in Calculus class. Good luck, Soc.
Thanks Hikaru... I really appreciate all the insight, you have been so awesome... Sorry for asking all the questions.. I know what it must sound like... but its just my nature. I remember people would ask me the same type of thing "what is acid like"... and after searching for words, I realized I couldn't explain it... you had to visit that place to know.. and I realize this is the same. I was also hoping Salvia was like that... a place to visit, but, this time more than just "eye candy"... maybe it had something more real to it... Anyhow, maybe that is foolish, or maybe not…. (I'm into Buddhism, and try and keep my mind open to all possibilities).. the way I see it… If god existed… why wouldn’t he/she/we allow people to visit (only for a short while).. perhaps Salvia is just a key to get in… if you think about it… does it sound more foolish than say, believing in heaven, and the pearly gates, with angels flying around.. etc… This will be the first and only place I give my experience report to... you've all been awesome. Looking forward to it Thanks guys Soc
i find it a key to shift into dream space/time briefly using it I get to study what I normally forget immersion into what is immersion into what I am (she is a metaphor, or a wisp of hair and a memory of my mother, teacher, wife,gf...)
Aye, Salvia is *certainly* something more than eye candy, but take caution and prepare yourself for it! Many people jump right into it almost as if it were cannabis or some other "drug" (you'll never see me calling Salvia divinorum a drug), and they get EXTREMELY scared at the power of it, and at how fast the experience comes on. I can only imagine that they're sitting there, smoking it and goofing around with their buddies, and all of a sudden dimensions seem to warp for them and they have a problem talking, so they wonder "what's going on?" and then the room starts to distort and things start literally going crazy, and they freak out because they didn't expect something so powerful. (most of the onsets of my trips are like that; dimensions become more prominent or less prominent, and then I feel powerful forces on my body that suggest to my mind that my body is being reshaped, pounded, or even sliced into sections, and then things seem to go a bit crazy from there.) Not more foolish, but just about as foolish, in my opinion. Salvia divinorum is divine, but not in a "heavenly" way, just in a way that will open your eyes and teach you about the nature of reality if you let it. Very well put. A metaphor indeed. redgreenvines, your description reminded me very much of the poem Green Gnosis by Lizard: I absolutely love this poem. =) Here are a few of my other favourite Salvia divinorum experience reports that you may find *somewhat* useful, Socratez: This Can't Be Real: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=31726 Lesson in Respect: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=28562 Smashed Through a Crack in Everything: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=7340 Those experiences are predominantly good ones, but as you will read may be very scary at times. I suppose calling them "good" experiences is not the best way to describe them ... perhaps ... experiences that are rewarding and worth having.
i dont claim to have any idea what happens to people under the influence of powerful salvia trips, but i think theres more to it than meets the eye. i think that along with other strong, brief psychedelics (such as, in my experience, DPT) there is a lot that can be revealed to you spiritually and psychologically. it is DEFINITELY more than a drug induced movie or something. what exactly it does to you, i dont know. it makes me question the nature of reality, but offers no real answers i think there are a few possibilities of what happens to you under the influence of salvia and psychedelics with similar characteristics. one is that it's all made up by your brain under the influence of the drug. i think the make-believe aspect of this theory is it's downfall, because these experiences i've had have been very realistic and profound, and i do not distinguish them as being much different from "reality." another possibility is that they are a tool which will allow the soul/spirit/essence of a person leave the body and travel to another realm or realms of existence. this seems slightly likely to me. another possibility, one that speaks loudest to me, is that there are infinite realities, and whatever is possible probably does exist. perhaps this could be called a theory regarding multiverses, parrallel dimensions, whatever. at any rate, i have come to view the fabric of space/time as a much more complex thing than the average human mind wishes to view it as, and i have a strong hunch that salvia and similar drugs perhaps help us "tune in" to different aspects of reality, or different universes or dimensions that our brain simply doesn't pick up on during normal sobreity. another possibility is that these are sacraments in the purest sense and that deities or other foreign entities are called upon to communicate with us when we use them. i dont find this too likely, but its possible. the truth is no matter how much we study a drug's action on the brain, we can't fully explain what happens to the person using it when experienced from their point of view. you can say this or that happens, but it does not take away from the realness and profundity of the experience. the best we can do is GUESS at to what happens to us in these states, and struggle to take our experiences and make something useful of them. clearly if it helps us to travel on another plane of existence or if it allows us to pick up on things that are always here around us but we cannot normally notice, the effect is not permanent, and cannot be extended any longer than the drug allows. if you're having a trip where you're in a beautiful realm filled with angels and you come to and try to get back to it by smoking more, you are more likely to end up in a completely different place than to return to where you were. the drugs have little consistancy, and that is one of the most hard to deal with aspects of them. clearly if this were all being made up by your brain, than there should be some sort of consistancy in what you experience if you take multiple trips in one night. this is one of the reasons, among many, that i truly believe there is more to it than a simple psychopharmacological explanation such as "it's just a drug that brings our subconscious forth" i've encountered the salvia goddess while on it, though not "seen" her as such. i saw the form, the outline, etc., but it was very fluid, unlike the other visions of entities i experienced with salvia. like a body of pure energy, only distinguishable from the background by being "different" definitely a human-esque form, though, definitely female, and she communicated with me in an odd way, and helped me in a time of need in a manner that actually DID seem to carry on to the "real" world. while with her i was praying to and worshipping her, appealing to her for assistance, and i was not turned away. i can't say if the experience i had was "real" or not, but it felt real, it seemed real, and it still does. i never have claimed to know for sure if it was my drugged up imagination or a true and real spiritual encounter, but i'm strongly inclined to believe it was the latter. she healed a loved one who had a painful disease, and the next morning i got confirmation from that person that they were no longer in the agonizing pain they had been in, and from then on it was a steady and quick road to recovery. i just can't accept that it was all just in my head. but what it REALLY was in truth, i dont know and dont care. even if it's just all myth, if it feels real and motivates you to live a more spiritual, reverant, and loving life, than the spiritual benefits of it are very real, and that counts for a lot. not everyone has such magnificent or curious experiences with this stuff, so dont get your hopes up, but among people who have used it numerous times, such instances are spoken of with deep reverance and most users seem to have at least one or two very amazing stories to make you question your beliefs.
i have "seen" sally, but not teh kind of seeing one would do with the eyes....moreso a direct perception of her energy. impossible to explain and difficult to describe an appearance.....the impresion was that of some sort of humaniod spider....but my image of her i think comes from my interpretation of her energy, whose teaching methods and sence of humor i find a bit dark...she has always taken good care of me though.
IDK I've done salvia a few times and have friends who have done it a bunch of times. Everyone I talked to only has shit to say like "that was so fucked up, I can't even explain it." or "I thought you guys were aliens coming to get me" or "that was... ... weird." A friend's girlfriend reverted into like a little kid or something on it just like talking and acting like a little kid then snapped out of it, seen a guy fall on the ground not able to speak and just writhe around for a bit. IDK it's nothing to get all excited about trying. Last time I did it, like thirty seconds into it I looked at the clock, everything felt real "weird" dunno how to explain it and the only thought I had at all was "what the fuck" as in like all I could think or feel was "what the fuck?" and it made me laugh... then I looked at the clock again that's when I came to and was still laughing. Ten minutes had gone by. I asked my friends what happened they said "you were just laughing a lot saying what the fuck" Gained a lot of knowledge from her that time.. like the knowledge that salvia is still legal because its potential for abuse is low, because its potential for fun (for most people) is very low. I can see a response "I don't do salvia for fun, I do it to learn and be a better person" Well sure that's a cool idea to have in your head when you're going out and doing shit, but how much can you learn when you don't remember any of the experience, or when all you can think is wtf? or how bout when all you can do is slowly writhe around on the ground because aliens are coming to get you?
moreso than with many other substances salvia responds to you according to how you go into it. intention, method of use and dosage, setting, all play heavy rolls. salvia is not a social or party drug and should generally not be used with more than maybe one or two other people around. its the kind of thing you need to do when you have quiet time alone and can approach it cautiously and carefully, and try your best to become comfortable with it. its a tricky thing to get comfortable with though. if things aren't just right, and sometimes even if they are, it can be very disturbing, and if you just fuck around with it it WILL put you in your place... fwiw, most of what you describe sounds to me like pretty typical effects that are achieved when you abuse it and try to "get fucked up" off of it.
I don't go into an experience with any specific mindset, I just go into it. That way the experience is pure per se.
My one and only experience was crazy... I sat back in my chair thinking this isn't working, took a deep breath and felt an enormous smile come on, sat there feeling like I was going to fall out of my body, listening to my thoughts of craziness coming out of my radio.
i like your attitude-as far as trying to explain the experience all i can say is good luck! salvia is like no other-make sure you follow guidlines at sagewisdom-in short, set and setting help alot-outdoors in a rural natural setting is optimal. if indoors you dont want to be around clutter and chaos-A nice clean room with something comfortable to sit or lie on (reclining lazyboy) along with good music, dark or dim lighting,and inscense. also a sitter that you trust.Experiencing salvia can be uncomfortable around strangers. salvia is somthing that comes to you, you have to invite it in, out of nowhere. once it gets its pins and needles in you it is better go with it instead of fighting it.just relax and let it flow. it does seem like a sacred experience, or maybe not-either everything is sacred or nothing is sacred, ill put it that way. as far as any male/female aspect to the experience -i didnt feel it to be male or female. salvia has somthing to do with existing or not existing somehow?, thats what it feels like..i wouldnt expect any dieties or visits from disincarnate entities but i would expect a visit from something intelligent,thats what it seems like, who knows?- make sure you TAKE BIG HOT HITS.
in my experience, which isn't worth much outside of my own personal life, sitters only make things worse when it comes to salvia. it's brief enough that if you're having a rough trip it will be over shortly anyway, you aren't at all likely to get hurt. seeing another person while fully in the grip of salvinorin-a can really freak you out though, and i have acted stupidly and dangerously on it ONLY when someone else is around. not to be taken lightly. not to be taken if you dont have extensive experience with other psychedelics....
With all due respect beloved sister: i am an experience hallucinogen user deeply into being alone whenever possible in such expanded spaces but Salvia journeying, especially for the first few/many times till "at home" with it, was so much more safe and navagateable with a good and consicous (the only kind to have really) friend near by. First few trips i didn't get up or move around (no body or self or IDEA even of locomotion possible) BUT, and here's the thing, as it started to hit/carry me away i called out to my friend/whoever "is this safe?!......tell me this is safe!" and his simple "dont worry bro... just relax and go with it" made ALL the difference in the world (universe? ). Later i needed a sitter because, by the 4th journey, i started to get up and move around and DEFINATELY had NO idea of the limits of ordinary physics (distance, gravity....or, here on the 10th floor, the gravity of distance....etc.) and there's no telling what "edges" of reality is was willing to step back from or over. IMHO: Sitter is 100% key for most of us until ..... or always. depending on what? I dont know. I will always have one for Salvia for sure whenever possible and whenever the slightest risk (deeper dosage experiments, new enviorns, etc.) is in evidence. That's my 0.2$ Peace all!
I just tried salvia for the first time the past weekend. I would say that the trip is most accurately described as a total seperation of the mind and body. Your conscience is temporarily freed from the bonds of the body. I did not see Lady Salvia, but I did DEFINITELY feel her presence. I could almost hear her thinking if that makes any sense. A cool analogy I came up with was looking at the mind as a moving body. When sober it moves foward. When high it moves foward faster or even sideways or something. When drunk it moves foward slowly. When tripping on Salvia, the mind is moving backwards. Your thoughts are being processed by completely different parts of the brain. My girlfriend came up with this notion: Perhaps salvia releases what it feels like to be a very small child. Perhaps even in the womb. Your mind and body is seperate. It almost feels like your constantly exploring new boundaries both physical and mental. Consciensness in itself is something completely new. And memories tend to dissappear frequently. Maybe the higher the dose, the younger the child, until you do too much, black out and perhaps that is equatable to going beyond birth. Maybe in the time spent blacked out (which no one really remembers what happens) you understand existance. Who knows?
Interesting musings, speculation and wonder dear brother (and all)! How about this one: if our perception of "normalcy" or "base-line consciousness" is a by-product of how we are accustomed to orienting ourselves (aka being nested) within this space-time matrix, and the way that it usually feels is that space ( or “place” and any "matter", which fills it, the nouns in this equation) is like water and time (the verb in this cosmic syntax) by pulling on the space/matter nature of our being makes that "water" flow like a river, then for me after smoking Salvia, time seems to release its pull or hold on the stuff of "me" such that in that now suspended (or "timeless" like) state of being space/matter, no longer being stretched into some linier flow of casuistry, now pools and expands like a great auto-luminous lake of wonder, reflection, possibility, vision and awe;. like some kind of trans-temporal solid-state super-field out of time, out of mere egoic mind, .....exhaulted "up" or melted in (you tell me) but in every way freed to be at play and played upon by, all at once,: an appallingly impersonal and yet deeply blissful, organic, sacred flowering of vast cosmic Mystery, Beauty and Leela (play). Or SOMEthing like that. Or??? )
beautifully phrased my friend. yeah, salvia almost takes the mind's concept of reality and temporarily redefines it. It takes our concept of 4 seperate dimensions (space and time) and blurs all them together. It twists our interpretation of dimensional space and time. I would really love it if there were a study done to find out exactly what salvia does to the brain and why/how the interpretation of the space time matrix changes. Its almost as if normally, your head is in a fixed position facing foward. You are paralyzed and cannot look anywhere else but directly in front of you. Salvia is like a temporary antidote to this paralysis. Under salvia, one can look left, right, up, and down. You can see beyond and around the normal linear chain of events. You are no longer constrained by the shackles of a normal interpretation of time and reality.
Set as close to the floor as you can the first time. The need to fall off of something might be very great at that time. Its a different world is about all else I can add.
