I have tried Salvia twice, but achieved, I think, only a level 2 experience each time with about 1mg of salvinorin A. The first time, I was very surprised. Not at all what I expected! Feeling nervous, I closed my eyes and heard a woman (Sal, I suppose), telling me that I was not supposed to be there. You see, I approached it too casually. Salvia is not for fun, but for the experience. I told her I was sorry, and felt myself sliding down a long, black tube until I opened my eyes and realized it was over. The second time I felt much more welcome, but this time she only said "Hello," and seemed to be ignoring me. The room became much smaller, colors seemed to melt together, and I felt safe, like I was sitting in the desert near the home where I grew up. But again, the experience was mild. That was a while ago, and I believe I am ready for a full-blown vision. I've always been very interested in learning about myself, about others, and about different levels of reality. For those who are seasoned users, any suggestions on how much I should smoke, based on the amount it took me to reach level 2? Also, other than being in a comfortable, dimly lit place, having a sitter, and being in a good state of mind, what else do you do to prepare yourself? Feel free to share your ideal situation and setting for a salvia experience. Thanks all!
How powerful of an extract are you using? The dosage varies from person to person. For a strong experience, I generally need roughly one *large* hit's worth of 5x or 6x. Other people claim to need much more, or much less.
I have only used Salvia 5 times so let that mean to you whatever it does. I am however an experienced and deeply devoted (semi-anual) psilocybin psychonaut. I like the feeling i get from your description of the cautious (reverent?) and respectful approach to this deep Mystery. I feel that is going to carry you a long way towards making peace with any aspect of the experience that would otherwise just really beat-up egos heading "in there" to make it be any certain way or ready to judge or contract/collaps when they discover that "there" they have precious little contol. Some may warn (hope not chide) you a bit about not projecting a personification upon the experience (aka anthropomorphizing the "chemical" or impersonal nature of the encounter with all this stuf you dilligently, and with best intentions no doubt, have learned about "HER"). On that note i would only say/suggest this: if there is any kind of "Other" "in there" for you to meet and be treated well, poorly or indifferent by, then let "her" or "Her" (or "it" or "It") make its own nature known to you in the unique way it will. I will not attempt any rehash of typical set/setting suggestions here. Its all been said better than i ever can so many times, except to say: do it in a safe and quiet place, with a good conscious friend nearby, in a really positive (yes, its totally ok to feel a healthy level of natural nervous anticipation or mild fear but after a while and by gradual steps you will yearn for and welcome this i predict) mood/head-space. Dosages my girl and i DO have an opinion on: we are getting quite full-spectrum of possible experiences from dosages ranging from 0.25grams of 10x on the high (so to speak ) side down to 0.05grams on the low end. I had the most glorious journey ever recently by smoking a couple big hits of Dutch Skuff (fresh Mj pollen, but great organic bud will do fine) first to really soften head and warm my heart and then smoked 0.15grams of 10x. Not only was the trip just a flowering of universal wonder but the fade out was exquisitly slow....so that i found i was able to "drag back in here" so much of the value, expanse, insight, etc. Don't know what more to say for now but really look forward to following your "progress" and all that She (ooops! it) teaches you. Peace,..deep and bright. ps: for what it worth: i've smoke from both bong and wooden pipe, from both bic style lighter to torch.....it has ALL worked at 10x.... i can NEVER get 3 whole hits in...rarely even 2....so yes, do heat it as hot as you can and then make that first hit deep, loooooong and full and then whatever you do: DONT COUGH (until you HAVE to) %=>P
True. I wasn't intentionally trying to personify her/him/it/whatever. But that's good advice. I shouldn't assume it's going to take a particular form. I should just allow it to reveal its nature in its own way, assuming there is "something" there to do that. We'll see. I have a lot to learn about this, but I find it very interesting. I am a writer, and the last experience was very enlightening. In general, I've felt much less restricted in my imagination. (And I don't write weird, trippy stories. Just oridinary stuff.) I definitely have a safe place and someone to keep an eye on me, so I'm sure everything will be fine. The stuff I purchased was from the Sage Wisdom Shop (no, I'm not a spammer). It doesn't say anything about 5x or 10x or anything. Quote: "This has been standardized to contain exactly 15 mg salvinorin A per gram of leaf. This is roughtly six times the average natural leaf concentration." I suppose that means 6x? I'll just have to try various amounts and see what works for me. I'll let you all know how it goes.
my guess is that you have too much equipment 1 mg salvinorin (1000mics) should take you into another place altogether several times like russian dolls, if it all gets into you fast enough. smoke it fast in a small pipe directly (for 10x you don't need any torches), hold it 30 seconds. big equipment often condenses it out of the airstream, but is necessary if you use a torch - much waste.
here's a question i don't feel like starting another "first salvia trip" thread seeing as how i've done that before and need not be repetitive although i guess i am being repetitive now but this just kind of occured to me my first and last salvia trip was really bad "death" was very present throughout the whole trip and i only took one medium-big hit from a glass bowl of 27x i didn't realize it was 27x til about a week after and basically, i thought i've decided that i'll never do it again but i've just kinda thought about it what if i just tried a smaller extract, like, say 5x how would that go ya think?
definitely a gentler dose (5X vs 27X) will provide a gentler treatment. no shame in chosing a nicer holiday. there is no competition on dosage with this. try less by all means.
Hmm. Didn't have a very good experience this time. Salvia should not be used to make you "feel better." It's a learning experience. Here's what I learned. I was in a bad mood today, and my head felt very cluttered, so I thought it would be good to lie back, relax, meditate, clear my mind, but I couldn't, so I took some Salvia. But before you can properly use Salvia as an aid to meditation, you first need to know how to meditate without an aid, when you're 100% sober. I opted for the liquid form, Emerald Essence. I took three dropper fulls (0.75 ml per dropper). It was a moderate trip, but because I went into the experience in a bad mood, I didn't get much out of it. I thought it would clear my head, help me relax and feel better. But it doesn't work that way. You need to know how to do that on your own, and only then should you use Salvia as an aid to help you go deeper than you ever could have gone. Plus, this was my first time using the liquid form, and knowing it would last a lot longer, my body kept wanting to panic. I kept wanting to move around, try and get a grip on reality again, and knowing that wasn't possible, that the trip would only get stronger and stronger over the next 15 minutes, I was very close to panic. Fortunately, I was able to talk myself down and just go with the flow. But because of all that, the experience was all right, but not as useful as I had hoped. Kind of a waste. Next time, I'm going to spend a while meditating first. But at least I learned something. We can't just rely on Salvia to help us meditate, clear our heads and feel better. We must learn that on our own first, and then Salvia will help us go even further and start teaching us new things. Also, I think I'd rather smoke it again from now on. The liquid form is just too... weird.
Seven-ji, And isn't this just the way with everything. A great learning for sure and one that Life has had to spank ("tough luv") me with in several domains. I support you to be smarter than me (not suggesting that's a tall order) by proactively applying the lesson all across the regions of your living and obviating the need for Life to teach it to you through unnecessary break-down or suffering elsewhere. May i run with this a bit? Take relationships. The average (un/semi-conscious) human (therefore egoically self-possessed by the self-contraction that is egoity), involved as they are with the dream/nightmare/ordeal of seeking to maximize pleasure and minimize pain in all its forms, styles and strategies, secures an "other" (via the occasion of all relations:friend, lover, spouse,...) as yet another object/event in their bewildering (mis)adventure from which to draw/pull/take/trick/trade/GET something(s): feelings (feeling: better, needed, valued, loved,...), stuff (homes, cars, clothing toys: to protect, hide behind, flaunt, costume, distract...), etc. How does this apply? Well simple, if not already too obvious to most of the smart cats hanging out here; like you trying to get the feeling of greater clarity or or or from taking Salvia, all these need-based connections (that we call "relationships" or worse yet "love") between seeking egos is just the same doomed ritual. Everyone turning to the other to "get" what they should be bringing to the event of relating as the fruits of their own right living: their own lovingness, their own peace and power, their own wellness and balance, their own radiance and prior over-flowingness, etc. In which case the context of relationship is a celebration, and exchange of the gifts of wellness not like, for example, the tragic event of most unconscious sexuality in which the other is both a dumping grounds for stagnant bio-energy but similarly sub-optimum life-force pseudo-"source" from which to take and try to feel filled by. Too heavy handed? Look at the divorce rate or the split-up rate or broken friendship rate: marriage, lovers, business, countries: precious few know how and take the responsibility to demonstrate the kind of lesson Salvia is potentially offering you today, I would suggest. How is the way that modern industry today is treating the earth like my edgy illustration above of the unconsciously irresponsible needy "lover" (sex addict more like) who just takes what is nature-given, mysterious, rare and sacred and after plundering whatever greed, addiction, stress, etc. require, leaves nothing but toxicity and waste in its wake. So rightly lived, I believe, relationships should/can/ought to be a place to bring ourselves when we are already happy, NOT a context of being from which to negotiate (whether in large of fine print in the spoken or unspoken "contracts" that arise between egos "in love") the trading of dependencies, needs, etc; not the Life-event from which to compensate for lack of or wounded/broken aspects of personal self. Like this discovery/lesson/reminder-event that Salvia helped make clear Seven, and if you'll allow me to hijack your "meditation" reference and use it here for to complete my metaphor/point, we all are ruthlessly required by the sheer "physics" of human being to practice "own body responsibility" in the face of all relations. 'Own body responsibility', those activities with can be said to be our own personal duties that then having been done make us prepared to both enjoy and BE an enjoyment, seem at once irritatingly obvious if i was to point out that it includes such mundane activities as wiping one's own ass, brushing one's teeth, etc. but then quickly more interesting and to the point when i jump over things like eating well, exercising and sleeping deeply, to point out that loving and feeling entirely whole, quieting the mind and being able to deeply receive, be present and feel are also utter prerequisites to any possibility of true relationship, nourishing mutuality or genuine love. Guess that's just my way of saying "right on!" Seven and keep going. Really appreciate your sharing of your own experience as well as how it helps keep me on my toes, honoring how Salvia (as well as all the other earth-nature-teachers) can be really a kind of evolutionary compass for the willing/eager/ready. Peace. -me
I take alcohol as a salve, but can only take so much or it is an unsalve with terrible headaches and hangover (for me that is 4/5 beers or 6 oz tequilla or 6 glasses of wine). I like the goofy but shallower mentation that ensues. It is a public substance. I take salvia alone to reconnect with mystery, magic, dreams, immensity. I like the goofy but deeper mentation that follows. It is a private substance. the public benefits indirectly. While I do not want to have a hangover on the one hand, I do not want to be writhing in level 5 either, and in both cases I am after a translation from normal mentation. When it comes down to it, I prefer to writhe at level 5 than to have a hangover, and possibly I like being alone more than dealing with the more complex public interaction dance.
