Bush Ordered NSA to Spy on Americans

Actualy, yes I do feel a little more secure. I would imagine that any law abiding citizen need not worry about the NSA listening into their conversations or reading their emails. And if you are doing something wrong that you don't want people to know about maybe you shouldn't talk about it on the phone or email your friends about it. I would imagine that the NSA would be very bored with most law abiding peoples conversations.

 

this is important.

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But some NSA officials were so concerned about the legality of the program that they refused to participate, the Times said. Questions about the legality of the program led the administration to temporarily suspend it last year and impose new restrictions.

The Bush administration had briefed congressional leaders about the program and notified the judge in charge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the secret Washington court that handles national security issues."

 

I guess chickenchoker wouldn't mind if the fbi and other assorted cops walked into his house and/or bedroom whenever they felt like it.
After all, if he's not doing anything wrong he has nothing to worry about, right?

Well cc, maybe you should move to someplace like Myanmar, where they really keep on eye on the people.

Cause see, here in the U.S. we have a document called the BILL OF RIGHTS, which limits gov't intrusion into people's private lives.
It's a freedom thing.

Don't forget to write.

 

I can guarantee you that Bush isn't tapping your bleeding heart liberal conversations.

Wire taps are for suspected terrorists. You know. People that terrorize.

Legalized wire tapping does not equal Big Brother. Wire tapping does not include a tap in every household. Taps are to to stop terrorists in the planning phase.

 

So how do we know YOU aren't a terrorist?
Would you have any problem with the gov't listening in to all your conversations, reading your mail, without any judicial oversight whatsoever (both of which are illegal btw)? You won't mind spies in your house if you're not doing anything wrong, correct?

jr uses "fighting terrorism" to justify invading other countries and killing thousands, torturing people and now violating the U.S. Bill Of Rights.
Like McCarthy and communism, he can't get away with it forever.

 

The government isn't going to waste its time tapping anybody unless they have reason to believe that he/she is involved in terrorist activities.

As interesting and important as your life surely is, the government isn't trying to butt into it. Your "Big Brother" doesn't give a damn.

Would you rather have an AK or Draganov to spray cover fire, or would you choose an M24 sniper rifle?

 

At least that's what they want you to believe. Way to buy in!

The government passed laws which allow NSA to monitor the activities of suspect individuals through a streamlined, super secret court called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). Bush (or anyone else in the administration) has made absolutely NO attempt to explain why this court could not be used to obtain legal court order for surveillance.

The reason these laws were passed was to implicitly allow secret surveillance WHEN AND ONLY WHEN an independant third-party approved specifically because wire taps had been used against political opponents, groups who disagreed with the administration, and people who the president didn't like.

If it was all in the name of "protecting american citizens" then why couldn't the FISC be called upon to do the job it was designed for? That's the question we need an answer to.

 

yeah, im also questioning what else they could be listening to. bush doesnt seem like the kinda guy who would let anti-him sentiments be passed around. especially if it threatened him or his administration somehow

 

Oh yes, Corporate America has brainwashed me. I'm a *gasp* SHEEP. You are entirely too reminiscent of a teen pop-punk band.

To say that Bush is going to tap phones to hear anti-Bush statements is a very Stalin-esque comment. He knows people don't like him. And he really doesn't give a shit. Perhaps you're too politically active to listen to music, but there are a LOT of other bleeding heart liberals making noise through music. And it's on the RADIO. Public radio. If Bush was trying to quash negative opinions, do you think he'd really allow songs like "American Idiot" and "BYOB (Bring your own bombs)" on NPR? Is he going to throw propaganda at every fourteen year old alternakid that's wearing a "Not My President" Rancid band shirt?

George Bush isn't intelligent enough to be compared to Stalin. And he probably hasn't read 1984, let alone know who George Orwell is.

 

He certainly hasn't read (or maybe more accuratly doesn't respect) The Bill Of Rights.
In fact, bushlaw is made up as he bumbles along.
One wonders what he's gonna do when most people refuse to buy "there's a terrorist behind every tree" bushco mantra any longer.

 

I was just reading this a.m.'s papers.

There are reports that the spying bush okayed goes much wider than he admitted.
Some of the targets jr. didn't mention are anti-war groups, civil liberty groups, and Muslim communities.
Inothersords, jr. lied.
Big surprize there, huh?

Right now the biggest threat to the U.S. is that shithead bush.

 

The government isn't going to waste its time tapping anybody unless they have reason to believe that he/she is involved in terrorist activities.

Most Bush Administration appointees regard marijuana smoking, homosexuality, and verbal profanity (along with thousands of other commonplace activities) to be AT LEAST as immoral as terrorism. If you "sin," it's okay, as long as you get imaginary forgiveness from the imaginary dead son of their imaginary friend in the sky- otherwise they believe that you deserve to burn in hell for eternity.

They really believe that stuff. And many of them want to "help" their imaginary friends in carrying out "God's Will."

Look at the many people who have been accused of terrorism- almost without exception they've turned out to be INNOCENT (example: that FL professor charged with 17 major crimes but who wasn't found guilty of even one). Or others, like Jose Padilla, who was once accused of planning a nuke bombing of America, but who turned out to have done no such thing. He's been in a military brig for what, four years or so? And still hasn't been charged with a goddamn thing?

These republicans are dangerous, seriously fucked-up people. They should be regarded as every bit as dangerous as the most extreme Islamic fundamentalists. But they're among us, and their acts are tearing this country apart.

I'm sure we'll continue to see more and more cases of innocent people accused of "tur-izm." In fact, I absolutely positively guarantee it.

 

This is in another post but this seems to be a good place to repeat it

When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs.
When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent.
When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet. – Lyle Myhr

 

That statement really can't belong in an argument against Republicans. It was, and always have been, DEMOCRATS that push for stricter gun laws and bans. Like the gun ban in San Fransisco. That is a BLATANT disregard to the second amendment.

Nobody's fucking holy.

 

Well said

 

If we lived under Fascism, you wouldn't have been able to post that.

We wouldn't have angsty teen bands playing anti-Bush songs on the radio.

Fascism is the ultimate left-wing form of government. The utmost liberal position.