On the Verge of Nuclear War

Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by skip, Dec 15, 2005.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    I'm not sure how many people realize just how close the world is to starting a nuclear war at this time.

    Despite so many attempts to reign in the proliferation of nuclear weapons, we are probably now closer than ever (except for Bay of Pigs) to a nuclear war.

    I don't expect this upcoming war to be on the scale of the Soviets vs the Americans, but it could escalate if cool heads don't prevail.

    No, it's not Korea that will launch an attack, at least not at first.

    It will most likely be the Israelis, who backed into a corner and facing their own annihalation at the hands of the insane man now running Iran, who will launch the first missile.

    The Israelis would strike using jets, probably over Iraqi airspace, with American permission (or over the Gulf). They will use conventional weapons to take out the nuclear facilities of Iran. That is if you consider 5000 lb bunker busting bombs conventional.

    Of course Iran will retaliate, and that is when the nukes will start to fly.

    What happens next is anyone's guess, but I'm pretty sure if Iran launches a nuke, it would probably take no more than a minute for Israel and the Americans to retaliate with force.

    The present time is the most critical because the Israelis are losing their window to be effective against Iran. If they wait too long, the retaliation will be much worse with Iran fielding ever more nuclear tipped missiles as time goes by.

    Of course they could just reach a standoff like the US & Russia did, and keep their weapons as a deterrent, but that seems unlikely because Iran will gladly pass on its technology (and already has) to other gulf/islamic countries. So the longer they wait, the more proliferation, the greater the threat to Israel.

    There seems to be no way out of this situation because of the man running Iran seems so bent on the destruction of Israel, he will likely bring about the destruction of his own country.

    He seems totally unaware of history, claiming the Nazi holocaust was a lie. So it's likely he's also unaware of what nuclear bombs actually do to people and cities. All the more reason for him and his kind to be taught a lesson, just like the one the japs got in Hiroshima. He probably doesn't even realize that if he were to wipe out Israel, he would also take out the Palestinians too.

    It would be the crowning act to nuke Iran as a final warning to the arab world to yield to the west. Of course the response of the arab world would be to turn everyone of them into terrorists, bent on the destruction of the west. But of course we seem to be heading in that direction anyway, thanks to the ineffective, incompetent leadership in the US today.

    What are your opinions?
     
  2. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    dont you think that israel would go after iran first, after the comments made about israel by their president? they'd claim that they were justified, the same way that the u.s. was "justified" with going to war in iraq. makes more sense to me.... but yes i do agree, that either israel or one of the peoples that they have invaded would be the first to use them.
     
  3. skip

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    Um, I do believe that is what I wrote...
     
  4. skip

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    Oh, and of course the religious right doomsayers are already having a field day with this. It's Revelations coming true! Yeah right. More like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Yup, you could be looking at the last days of our race...

    What was that about 2012? Gee that's only 6 years away now.

    Which is exactly why I think the US leaders don't give a shit about the environment or how many innocent people die at the hands of US troops, cause they're all planning on checking out in a few years anyway!

    Get it while you can!
     
  5. soulrebel51

    soulrebel51 i's a folkie.

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    lmao...really? i thought you said iraq, not iran :p
     
  6. skip

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    ah, I said the Israelis might launch over Iraqi airspace, which will give them the US shield for the attack.
     
  7. makno

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    pakistan- india isreal against everyone chechnia- russia... civil war in a post kim korea ...a dirty bomb in london or nyc .......they all could go down .....
     
  8. Soulless||Chaos

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    I really don't see something like that turning into full scale worldwide nuclear war... More just semi contained incidents.. At least I hope. :D But eh, if it happens it happens. :rolleyes: At least I can rest assured we'd completely and utterly destroy them several times over their complete and utter destruction of us. :rolleyes:
     
  9. skip

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    I suppose the good news is there is still a relative balance in nuclear arsenals among rival countries.

    Pakistan is really the one to blame for Iran getting the technology, as well as spreading it around to other islamic states.

    But you see that's a problem too, since Pakistan has lots of radicals, probably as many as Iran. If Musharrif was taken out, they could seize control and then the war would spread quickly.

    In fact the biggest wildcard is how muslims around the would react. If they all see it as an attack on their religion, they just might unify and then it would be world war.

    What's really fucking weird though, is that this scenario, which I'm sure has been played out again and again in the Pentagon, always assumes one thing... that the US wins.

    And that is another fucking illusion, and is the reason why we went into Iraq in the first place. For some insane reason, the US believes it can't lose. It's leaders truly believe, especially Dubya, that the US is somehow protected by God, doing his work, and according to prophecy (which Bush believes, yes!) the wicked will be punished and the goodie goodie religious right will be saved!

    Even the neocons who turn up to criticize every post in this forum, believe that not only that the US can do no wrong, but that it can't lose (unless of course we stinking liberals mess things up - everything is OUR fault of course).

    Just like Bush is perfect (do they still think this?), the US is perfect, and it's unpatriotic to say otherwise.

    So of course if our leaders take us to war, NUCLEAR WAR that is, we should support them no matter what. We are at war, remember? So anything goes!

    And we shall win, Imshallah!

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  10. guy

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    i think the americans need to look at who is actually in control.
     
  11. skip

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    BTW, I rate the possibility of this war as being 100 times more of a threat than all the terrorists on the planet.
     
  12. skip

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    Another incredible irony: The President of Iran is insane. In fact the first time I saw a photo of him, it had been doctored to emphasize horns at the hairline and a goatee - on a big news website, too (probably foxnews).

    But what's ironic is that BUSH is even more insane. He thinks God is talking to him. Telling him what to do. So either he is hearing discarnate entities, or he thinks Cheney is God. Either way, he's fucking nuts!

    So now we got two nuts with nuke hard-ons who both think they are doing God's will. So I guess it's God's will that we wipe each other off the face of the earth. Now that is ironically insane!
     
  13. smlchance

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    please don't ban me skip but usually I want nothing more than a complete annihilation by nuclear war. look at history and tell me that things will ever be different or get better. eventually life on earth will end. what's the difference when?

    I had to apologize that this depression fueled post doesn't appreciate the quality of your comments, especially that last one: two deranged lunatics hearing God tell them to destroy each other. That's freakin brilliant. But who knows, maybe God is a deranged lunatic too!
     
  14. spooner

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    There is no possible way Iran would have second-strike capability against Israel, but Israel would most likely have it against Iran. Therefore, there is almost no chance of Iran launching a bomb.

    The other danger is a nuclear bomb falling into the hands of a terrorist organization - but that is also extremely unlikely to start a true nuclear nuclear war. How can you bomb something without a territory?
     
  15. skip

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    Ah, but that won't stop Bush from attacking some country, based on some "faulty intelligence" he is given, which he wanted to invade anyway.

    They got away with it once, they can do it again. Americans can be such dumb and pathetic sheep. Or are they finally waking up?

    baaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...huh?
     
  16. skip

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    LOL!

    My reply is always that I want to be at ground zero.

    What a BLAST that will be!
     
  17. Orsino2

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    There have always been two wars fought-- one against nature and one consisting of deranged and dillusional rulers trying to stop each others' plans. I expect another big snap in the world to occur very soon, too.

    Isn't that what patriotism is about? Spirit? If people didn't have faith in themselves, oppression would eventually take control... and we all know what happens when you don't pay your taxes, which is why communism has never worked. Generally, even if communism would work, there is always room for corruption on both sides of the fence.

    You can look to your scriptures and books for metaphors, form your own theory, and the pen will always be mightier than the sword. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

    "It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." Henry Ford

    Whoops... there have already been a few shitloads of those.

    Benjamin Franklin supposedly created daylight savings time, and the Mayan calendar is set to end in Winter Solstace, I believe Dec. 21, 2012. You don't need to be born into caste systmes anymore... They give you enough rope to hang yourself with, you'll do it without thinking.

    History repeats itself.
     
  18. spooner

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    No, but it does mean that nuclear war isn't very likely. In fact, nuclear weapons in Iran could actually make the Arab world more secure - noone would be attacked for fear of nuclear retaliation.

    As for America using it as an excuse to invade other countries; they don't need the excuse. America has been dipping its greedy little fingers into other countries for a long time. Colonialism has been around for a long time. Whether it is done openly or covertly has little result on the body count or the end result.
     
  19. spooner

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    It is precisely the fact that Americans are neither dumb nor "pathetic sheep" that make them responsible for the terrible attrocities they commit.
     
  20. Pointbreak

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    Iran is not part of the Arab world.

    Please explain how a country which thinks Israel should be wiped off the map and denies the holocaust will make the world safer by acquiring nuclear weapons.
     
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