Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]

​

​

Corruption because,​

If God only should be worshipped as Jesus himself stated that in Matthew 4.10: Jesus said unto him, '' away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.​

*If Jesus is God, why did he pray to God, why was he praying? Was he praying to himself?​

Matthew 26: 36: …sit here while I go over there and pray.​

*Does the God have a God?​

Mark 12: 29:And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LordourGod is one Lord, he said our God which meanshis God too?! How a God has a God too? ​

Jesus is God's creature.​

Read this:​

John 4.21-34:​

(Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: … and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he…Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.​

See, Jesus was right!, you aren't worshipping the father of Jerusalem (Jewish), father is a metaphorclick for more about this, we cannot find such concept of God in OT, Actually, the Trinity isn't biblical, the word Trinity is not even in the Bible and was never taught by Jesus and was never mentioned by him, plus Isaiah's prophecy, Matthew 15: 7+ Acts 17: 18regarding Paul:… He seems to be advocatingforeigngods. ​

I will quote for you what I have found and what some Christians know about some of I what I will quote for you now​

​

Quote: The formulation of the Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria, was accepted by the Council of Nicaea in A.D 325, i.e. more than three centuries after Jesus had left. the Roman paganism had influence in this doctrine, the triune god: Sabbath was shifted to Sunday, December which was the birthday of their sun-god Mithra, was introduced as Jesus' birthday.​

​

The concept of Trinity was developed over the span of three and a half centuries after the time of Jesus. In the New Catholic Encyclopedia, it says, “…when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘One God in three persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought…it was a product of 3 centuries of doctrinal development”​

​

Trinities were worshipped in several places during the time of Jesus as well as in antiquity. The Egyptians worshipped trinities. So did the Babylonians and Zoroastrians. Hindu worship revolves around a trinity. Many societies based their worship around the concept of trinities. Once the ‘One God’ of Jesus was introduced to the pagan Romans and others in the area in the form of a ‘trinity’ through Christianity, it became easy for the heathen worshippers to move laterally to a form of worship that had the same elements but with different names. This is the environment that Paul was immersed in. ​

​

Paul was in fact heavily influenced by Greco-Roman ideologies and philosophies of God incarnate in man, religious blood sacrifice and resurrection and triune Platonic theories of the ‘first cause’, the ‘reason’ or ‘logos’, and the ‘spirit’ of the universe. Many of the man-deities were the rulers of Greece, Rome, Egypt, etc. It is well known that the Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs were worshipped as gods and in some of the ancient myths, the ‘man-god’ Pharaoh had to be sacrificed for the greater good of the society. History records that Julius Caesar was deified by the Romans and the Greeks with the approval of the senate and this was commemorated with a temple and statue dedicated to his worship. Constantine was considered the human manifestation of the Roman sun-god, Sol-invictus. Many compromises were made early on in the church to accommodate these pagan beliefs. The Sabbath (sab’ah) was changed from the seventh day to Sun-day, the holy day for the Roman sun god and 10 Christmas was set to be celebrated on December 25th, which happened to be not only the birthday of the Roman sun-god Sol-Invictus but also the very popular Persian Sun-god Mithra. According to A.D. Ajijola in his book, The Hijacking of Christianity, the Persian sun-deity Mithra was worshiped almost 600 yeas before it was introduced to Rome. Mithra was supposedly born of a virgin on December 25th and died in service to humanity. He was buried and he rose from the tomb to be heralded as a ‘savior’ for all humanity. He is depicted in ancient drawings as a ‘lamb’.The concept of a ‘resurrected’deity was also well ingrained in the beliefs of the people of the Mediterranean Region. In his monumental work, The Golden Bough, James George Frazer writes,“ Under the names of Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis, and Attis, the peoples of Egypt and Western Asia represented the yearly decay and revival of life, especially of vegetable life, which they personified as a god who annually died and rose again from the dead.”​

​

Any discussion about Christianity and its beliefs and practices cannot be complete without an examination of the influence of Paul.Christian Bible scholars unanimously admit that the formulation of what is now known as Christianity did not begin with Jesus but with Paul. Every Bible produced contains more writings from Paul than anyone. In fact, all of the books written by Paul in the Bible were written before any of the four gospels. This is a very important fact. Does the layman Christian reflect on the radical differences between the teachings of Jesus and the writings of Paul? The gospels were written at a time when Paul’s ideas had already begun to take hold among the ‘gentiles’. We have already touched upon the prevalent religious ideologies that formed Paul’s interestingly diverse background. We know that he was a Roman citizen who was a Jewand a murderer of Jesus’ followers from amongst the Jews (Acts 22.19-21+ 22.3-5+26.9-11). He claims to have ‘seen’ the light on a road to Damascus wherein he saw Jesus and was filled with the ‘Holy Spirit’ and was commanded to preach to the masses.​

However, when we examine closely his recounting of this very convenient story as written by someone called ‘Luke’ in Acts, we find that there is a mountain of inconsistency in these testimonies. In the first account of the incident that appears in Acts 9:7, it is says, ‘And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.’ Just a few pages later however, the testimony changes (Acts22:9); ‘And they that were with me saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.’ In these first two examples we see a major discrepancy. In one account the men with Paul heard the voice but did not see a man. In the second account, they saw ‘light’ but did not hear anything. In both examples, Jesus supposedly tells Paul to Arise and go into the city (Damascus) and there he shall receive instruction. (Acts 9:6; 22:10) Alas, just a few chapters later in his testimony to the King Agrippa, he says that Jesus actually gave him his mission and instructions in detail right there on the road to Damascus (Acts 26:16-18). Could any of this even hold up in a court of law? Are we to excuse these majorinconsistencies?How can we not accept similar disparate witness testimony in judicial matters but in religious matters, we base our entire creed upon accounts that are shaky at best?We have already shown the vast difference between the gospel reports of Jesus painstakingly exhorting the people to stick to the letter of Moses’ law and Paul’s renunciation of the law (Acts:21.20-21+ Matthew 5.17-20). In Galatians 3:13 he writes, ’Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law’. And, ‘Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law’ (Romans 3:28). This is the very opposite of what Jesus is reported to have said in the gospels; Matthew 5.19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. And Matt 19:16, 17; And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And He said unto him, Why callest thou megood? There isnone good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Paul even gives himself absolute authority to convert people to his way by any means, ‘All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.’(I Corinthians 6:12) Jesus not only preached that the commandments of God be kept but he also kept them himself click here for an example. One cannot even imagine Jesus uttering such words yet they flow easily from the pen of Paul without remorse.So who do the Christians actually follow, Jesus or Paul.Do Christians follow Jesus in the worship of the One God; Jesus said to him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Matthew 22:36-39) AndMark 12:29,”…The first of all commandments is , Hear, O Israel, The LordourGod isoneLord…” Or do Christians follow Paul in the worship of Jesus as a resurrected man-deity who was born on December 25th and who was killed and resurrected as a blood sacrifice on the 3rd day during the spring re-birth season? So what was Paul’s objective? It has been suggested that from the outset he was an open enemy of the early Jewish sect of the followers of Jesus. Perhaps what is even more intriguing is the suggestion that he went from open opposition to the early followers of Jesus on behalf of the Roman Empire to what we have come to know today as ‘covert ops’. To put it plainly, he may have been history’s most famous ‘secret’ agent. A.D Ajijola states, “startling though the suggestion may be, it does seem at least possible that Paul was some species of Roman agent. ’Eisenman in his book Maccabees, Zadokites, Christians, and Qumran’ was led to this conclusion on reading the scrolls themselves, then found the references in the New Testament to support it “(The Hijacking of Christianity). Ajijola goes on to say, “St. Paul urged his disciples to obey Rome who was ordained by God. This was an acquiescence in the political status quo. Consequently, the Pauline Christian doctrine was fitted from the start to become the official religion of the Roman Empire.” Is this the person that the Christian derives their concept of the Creator of all that exists in the universe? Is Paul a reliable enough authority in monotheism for the Christian to take his religion from? If we take the Bible as a whole and examine the God that was described and worshiped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah, and all of the Prophets including the clear description of God and that was worshipped and praised by Jesus in the gospels and contrast this with the concept of God beginning where Paul’s writings monopolize the rest of the Bible, we must conclude that thepart that does not align with the basis laid down by the previous Prophets must originate from somewhere else. When we also take into consideration the fact that the worship of sun-gods, man-gods, sacrificed and risen deities who were all born during the winter solstice of December 25th permeated the Roman Empire, parts of Asia, North Africa, and Northern Europe, we began to see the influence of those beliefs and practices in Paul’s formation of Christianity.​

​

 

Here is another example: in the Quote it is written:
​

Once the ‘One God’ of Jesus was introduced to the pagan Romans and others in the area in the form of a ‘trinity’ through Christianity, it became easy for the heathen worshippers to move laterally to a form of worship that had the same elements but with different names. This is the environment that Paul was immersed in.
​

Heathen, now read this:
​

Jeremiah 10:1-8: Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
​

​

Plus: in the Quote it is written: please read the quotes again specially the red words.
​

1- Mithra was supposedly born of a virgin on December 25th and died in service to humanity. He was buried and he rose from the tomb to be heralded as a ‘savior’ for all humanity. He is depicted in ancient drawings as a ‘lamb’
​

+
​

2-In fact, all of the books written by Paul in the Bible were written before any of the four gospels.
​

+
​

3-Once the ‘One God’ of Jesus was introduced to the pagan Romans and others in the area in the form of a ‘trinity’ through Christianity, it became easy for the heathen worshippers to move laterally to a form of worship that had the same elements but with different names. This is the environment that Paul was immersed in.
​

+
​

4-Regarding the Christmas tree: I will quote for you what TrippinBTM wrote concerning it in my thread ;
​

'' It's an ancient tradition for the winter festival to cut down and decorate a tree, often an evergreen because it's still green, as a symbol for the power of life in the face of death (shortest day and coldness of winter)''
​

'' but I'm pretty sure the current manifestation of this tradition is from the Germans, who later brought the tradition to America. The Germans, having never been conquered by the Romans, held onto their pagan ways longer, and even after they converted still continued many of their traditions.''
​

​

So after reading these 4 points, [if you didn't read them please read them before the following], To let you know how was Paul and the 4 Gospels immersed in such belief , read
​

​

1 Peter 1.19: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot, …, For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withered, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever.
​

​

Revelation 5.6:
​

… in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, … And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, … etc, I want quote more.
​

Bear with me,
​

Many compromises were made early on in the church to accommodate these pagan beliefs. The Sabbath (sab’ah) was changed from the seventh day toSun-day, the holy day for the Romansun god and 10 Christmas was set to be celebrated on December 25th, which happened to be not only the birthday of the Roman sun-god Sol-Invictus but also the very popular Persian Sun-god Mithra. Mithra was supposedly born of a virgin on December 25th and died in service to humanity. He was buried and he rose from the tomb to be heralded as a ‘savior’ for all humanity. He is depicted in ancient drawings as a ‘lamb’.
​

​

Now read, Revelation 12.1:
​

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered… And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Etc etc etc
​

Do you still believe in Paul?
​

You should choose, Paul or Jesus? Return to Jesus true Lord , the Lord of Israel, the one, *(Isaiah 43: 10-12) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
​

Return before it is too late
​

Romans 2.8: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
​

​

I think that is conformed with those whom worship Jesus, and follow Paul instead of Jesus. I gave you an example above [2 links] and a verse.
​

​

Let us talk about the Gospels, I think you know when did they were written! People wrote what they heard! Not like the OT! The teachings revealed to Moses were available in a written form in his lifetime. The Gospel was written down after Jesus, how do you consider it as the word of God! You get it? That's why the Gospel like a story book because it isn't the word of God (i.e. the wording of God) but the people like Matthew, John etc wrote what happened, events etc, you get what I mean.
​

Example, do you believe that God stated this in : Matthew 28.15: … So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day! People wrote that! There are four Gospels which are similar in the most of the verses and chapters and that points to that there are four men who wrote what they heard but each one with his wording, style etc. while the OT isn't like this at all! There isn't Torah for Simon or Torah for Kevin! You get it.
​

​

Dear Campbell, wasn't Jesus a Jew? I mean by Jew is he who follows Moses' law right, Jesus said: Matthew 5:17-20: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
​

You will never find in the 4 Gospels the word Christian, which appeared after Jesus for the people who followed him, Jesus was sent to Israel people, and he said: John 4.21-34:
​

(Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: … and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
​

profane —adj. 1 a irreverent, blasphemous. b (of language) obscene. 2 not sacred or biblical; secular. —v. (-ning) 1 treat (esp. a sacred thing) irreverently; disregard. 2 violate or pollute.  profanation n. [Latin fanum temple
​

So, Christians profaned his name too! By worshipping a creature, I hope you read story of (the sun of God)! Isn't that blasphemous!
​

Acts 17: 18 regarding Paul: … He seems to be advocating foreign gods.
​

​

I read the chapters that you mentioned, I think I have to read it more to understand it more, but remember Bible is corrupted, this is the truth, you yourself said that! èYet I believe the original text was with out them.
​

​

I swear by Allah the greatest that Muslims', Christians' and Jewish's God is the same one, and as I said I can't believe in everything has been stated and written in the bible because it has been corrupted by the hand of men.
​

YoursSincerely,
​

CatStevens​

 

Piney
​

thank yoy for the information.
​

the point is if we want to worship someone or consider someone as a God we should based this on proofs, i.e. We shouldn't base our beliefs and judgments on weak, sandy foundations, rather than on the solid foundation of rock èQuote from Jesus' Parable [refer to Matthew7, 24-27] © è
​

Yours Sincerely,
​

Cat Stevens
​

 

I think the quote from Matthew 19:16,17 need to be clarified. I usually like to read the stuff around the passages to get some idea of perspective about what the writer was going on about. In this case Jesus was asking a rhetorical question because the rich young man wanted to know how he could get into heaven. The man was told that if he wanted to be perfect and go to heaven he had to sell all his posessions and give the proceeds to the poor.

Matt

 

Barefoot_Surfer
​

dear , it is realy clear, in the NIV they corrupted this,
​

(Matthew: 19.16-17) (NIV)
​

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
​

​

(Matthew: 19.16-17) (KJV)
​

One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do,
​

that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
​

The differences between the colored sentences with orange are completely different,
​

Plus,
​

John 4.21-34:
​

(Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: … and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
​

See, Jesus was right!, however, you aren't worshipping the God of Jews, we cannot find such concept of God in OT, Actually, the Trinity isn't biblical, the word Trinity is not even in the Bible and was never taught by Jesus and was never mentioned by him, plus Isaiah's prophecy, Matthew 15.7-9: You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you 8: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. regarding Paul: … He seems to be advocating foreign gods.
​

Father is a metaphor​

​

click for more about this + son of God is a metaphor too Click here
​

​

John 8, 42:
​

… I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43: why is my language not clear to you?
​

John 5, 37: And the father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you don't believe the one he sent.
​

John 5, 41: I don't accept praise from menè (why if he is God?). But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I have come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receiveè (isn't Jesus the name of God)
​

Matthew 21.43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
​

​

However, I prefer you read all the posts here in this thread, you will find more verses and issues which support this, that Jesus isn't God.
​

Peace.
​

Yours Sincerely,
​

Cat Stevens
​

 

Jesus called the Father God, yet equally true the Father calls Jesus God.
''But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved rightreousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above they fellows" (Hebrews 1:8-9).

Hebrews 1:8-9 is quoted from Psalm 45, and in Psalm 45 it is obvious that God the Father, Jehovah God, is speaking about the Son. God the Father calls the Son God, and God the Son calls the Father God. This is the mystery of the Trinity. Though we do not fully understand it, we believe it because it is the teaching of the Scriptures.

As far as Acts 9:7 and 22:9 A Contradiction?
In the original Greek there is no contradiction between the two statements. Greek makes a distinction between hearing a sound as a noise (in which case the verb "to hear" takes the genitive case) and hearing a voice as a thought-conveying message (in which case it takes the accusative). Therefore, as we put the two statements together, we find that Paul's companions heard the Voice as a sound (somewhat like the crowd who heard the sound of the Father talking to the Son in John 12:28, but perceived it only as thunder); but they did not (like Paul) hear the message that it articulated. Paul alone heard it inteligibly (Acts 9:4 says Paul ekousen phonen--accusative case); though he , of course, perceived it also as a startling sound at first (Acts 22:7: ''I fell to the ground and heard a voice (ekousa phones) saying to me, ''NASB). But in neither account is it stated that his compaions ever heard that Voice in the accusative case.
--Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties, by Gleason L. Archer, p. 382.

 

You may claim that the Bible has been corrupted by the hands of men, but if that is true, WHY ARE IT'S PROPHECIES COMING TRUE? AND WHY IS JERUSALEMS EAST GATE STILL SEALED?

AND IF JESUS WAS NOT GOD, WHY DID THE JEWS WANT TO STONE HIM FOR CLAIMING TO BE GOD? JOHN 10:31-33.

It should come as no surprise that there are similar traditions, and stories before the advent of Christ. The Devil has tried to copy Him from the beginning. And there is a spirtiual war going on out there. Even at the time of the end, the Devil will have His own evil trinity. The Anti-Christ to come will worship the God of forces, he has an image of himself constructed that is a living being, which will be set up in the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. Demands will go out that all the world must worship the image, and The Anti Christ. The Anti Christ will receive a deadly head wound, but he will be raised from the dead, and he will claim to be God. He will have a false prophet proclaiming to the world, that he is the one.

 

I've heard alot of this before. When you read scripture, you must understand the origional message as these passages were written thousands of years ago and that language changes meaning over time. Simply quoting chapter and verse and using that to justify your claim is nothing but short sighted. Remember, the Bible is a record book and not only depicts where mankind was enlightened but also fell short. You also shouldn't read into things that really aren't there.

When the persecutions of those who followed Jesus were letting up in the 4th century, there were fights as to what was going to become official doctrine. These debates led to the formation of the councils of Nicea and Constantinople. During these meetings church doctrine was decided upon individuals who were not necessarily trying to promote a spiritual agenda, but a political one. The concept of Jesus being the equal of God was one of the issues debated at Nicea at which time about 300 bishops walked out! The trinity's final "installation", the Holy Ghost was made in Constantinople about fifty years later. Below are some links detailing the 'happenings' of the council of Nicea:
http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=48
http://www.americanunitarian.org/mianoarius.htm
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm

 

Campbell34​

​

​

Oh! My God! Dear Campbell, please concentrate ​

1- This quote isn't from the 4 Gospels.​

2- from where he quoted such sayings!! Who told him that God said such thing!! ​

3- Read the former verse of the same chapter, Hebrews 1:4: (KJV) being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (NIV) Being made so much better than the angels. Honestly! Is this logic! If Jesus is God then it goes without saying that he is better than the angels! Whether he inherited a superior name or not! God is the best whatever was his name! He (Jesus) created the angels maybe too in your belief? Now who is better and greater the one who creates or the creature? God is the best and the greatest he shouldn't be compared to anything never ever. The comparison here is wrong! Psalms 89.6:For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD?​

4- Read the former verse of the same chapter, Hebrews 1:2: ​

(KJV) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made theworlds​

​

(NIV)…… whom he appointed heir of all things,and through whom he made theuniverse,​

A- When did Jesus born?? Please answer.​

B- we cannot find such thing in Genesis 1:1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth etc!! He didn't mention other Gods! He didn't say that he created the universe through Jesus the son God? Is the God of the OT is Jesus the son God or the father God? If he is not the son God then the above verse is … you know?​

​

So, (Hebrews 1:8-9) as a proof is rejected.​

​

​

​

Firstly: I think the author of this chapter is not God and he is ​

A- Talking to a people the Sons of Korah maybe;Psalms 45.1-2:My heart is stirred by a noble theme as I recite my verses for the king; my tongue is the pen of a skillful writer You are the most excellent of men and your lips have been anointed with grace, since God has blessed.Or​

B- That king isn't God but someone else (human) at the time and the author wants him to follow God, plus in the biblical language, the term God is used metaphorically to indicate power, for example, Exodus 7.1: KJVAnd the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee agod to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet,so accordingly, ​

1 My heart is stirred by a noble theme as I recite my verses for the king è (not the God probably); my tongue is the pen of a skillful writer. 2 You are the most excellent of menè (not God) and your lips have been anointed with grace, since Godè (the real God) has blessed you forever. 3 Gird your sword upon your side, O mighty one; clothe yourself with splendor and majestyè (he is talking to that king) 4 In your majesty ride forth victoriously in behalf of truth, humility and righteousness; let your right hand display awesome deeds. è (he is talking to that king) 5 Let your sharp arrowsè (he is talking to that king or praying to the real God to do so) pierce the hearts of the king's enemies; let the nations fall beneath your feetè (he is talking to that king) . 6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. 8 All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; ​

from palaces adorned with ivory the music of the strings makes you glad. 9 Daughters of kings are among your honored women; at your right hand is the royal bride in gold of Ophir. 10 Listen, O daughter, consider and give ear:
Forget your people and your father's house. 11 The king is enthralled by your beauty; honor him, for he is your lordè (he is talking about that king) etc because God doesn't marry! Or

​

Secondly: I don't think that the God is speaking here! I am not sure who is the speaker; I will quote for you what I read: ​

​

Traditionally all the Psalms were thought to be the work of Davidè (cat: which means isn't the word of God), but modern scholars recognise them as the product of several authors or groups of authors, many unknown. Most of the psalms start with an introductory verse which ascribes them to an author or says something about their circumstances and only 73 of these introductions claim David as author. In any case it is clear that the Psalms were not written down until around the 6th century BC, and since David's reign is dated to around 1000 BC, any Davidic material must have been preserved by oral tradition for centuries. ​

Psalms 39, 62, and 77 are addressed to Jeduthun, to be sung after his manner or in his choir. Psalms 50 and 73-83 are addressed to Asaph, as the master of his choir, to be sung in the worship of God. The ascriptions of Psalms 42, 44-49, 84, 85, 87, and 88 assert that the "sons of Korah" were entrusted with arranging and singing them; (2 Chronicles 20:19)suggests that this group formed a leading part of the Kohathite singers. Source: click ​

​

Thirdly: read the headline or the title of this chapter in the NIV, it is written: ​

For the director of music. To the tune of "Lilies." Of the Sons of Korah. A maskil. A wedding song. Read this by clicking here. ​

​

Fourthly: how do the Jews explain this chapter45?​

So, (Psalms 45) as a proof is rejected too.​

​

​

This contradiction was written within what I quoted to you regarding Paul, my point when I quoted that wasn't this, was to let you know the environment that Paul was immersed in.


​

​

​

You yourself said that too in post 34! Let me Quote ​

​

​

​

YoursSincerely,​

​

CatStevens​

 

Dear Campbell34​

​

My dear brother, I told you formerly, the bible isn't corrupted fully! Did you forget? There are still intact verses.
​

​

I told you formerly, It is believed by a growing number of Biblical scholars that it was Paul (born in 5 A. D.!) who reshaped the major beliefs in Christianity, including the Trinity, divinity of Jesus, original sin, crucifixion, salvation through the blood of Jesus, etc.
​

Furthermore, it is widely accepted by these scholars that Paul wrote his
​

letters before the four gospels, which were later colored and influenced by Paul’s beliefs and teachings. The difference between Paul’s teachings and Jesus’ original message contributed to the considerable confusion we find today about the nature of God. Jesus wasn't crucified.
​

​

However, let's go back to JOHN 10:31-33
​

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me [ o dear Jesus]? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
​

​

Firstly: if we will consider these verses intact and weren't corrupted then, He clarified for them, with a scriptural example well known to them that he was using the metaphorical language of the prophets which should not be interpreted as ascribing divinity to himself. John 10: 34: If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. Was Jesus quoting or meaning Psalms 82:6: I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.? Or which verse!
​

​

Secondly: if jesus was quoting from Psalms, then, re-read and please concentrate
​

JOHN 10:31-37
​

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, [[I ]]said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
​

Why he didn't continue using [[I]] did they forget to corrupt He to I? Why did he separate himself? Or He is referred to whom? However, ignore it.
​

But remember, in the biblical language, the term God is used metaphorically to indicate power, for example, Exodus 7.1: KJV And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee agod to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet,
​

If Jesus is truly God, I will worship him with my all pleasure, why not, but you have to prove this to me. And I don't mind to proclaim my faith even if the Muslims will kill me for apostasy. It is an honour to die for the truth and the true God.
​

​

Someday I will write a thread regarding Paul.
​

Peace and love
​

Yours Sincerely,
​

Cat Stevens
​

​

​

​

 

​

thespeez​

​

That's what I am trying to say in my threads è1 & 2 ​

The links are so good, thank you very much for posting them, please take a look at them Campbell​

John 4.21-34:​

(Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: … and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.​

​

Recommended Reading:​

​

​

​

Click here to review this book online!​

Pagan Roots of the Trinity Doctrine​

The Apostle's Creed​

The Nicene Creed​

The Athanasian Creed​

The speez thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank youthank you​

YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens​

 

In the Book of Genesis when God said, let US make man in OUR image, who was God speaking with? Who was US, and OUR ?

 

1. The quote did not need to come from one of the four Gospels, yet the Bible declares that all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God.

2. The quote comes from Psalms 45:6,7 (Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE THY FELLOWS.

THEREFORE GOD, THY GOD, HATH ANOINTED THEE?

WHO ARE THESE TWO GODS?

3. The once-humiliated and crucified Jesus has been declared God's Son, and this name shows his superiority to the angles. The reason for the author's insistence on that superiority is, among other things, that in some Jewish traditions angels were mediators of the old covenant (see Acts 7:53; Gal 3:19). Finally, Jesus superiority to the angels emphasizes the superiority of the new covenant to the old because of the heavenly priesthood of Jesus.

The first hint of the Trinity in the Old Testament occures in Genesis 1:26.
And God said, Let (US) make man in (OUR) image, after (OUR) LIKENESS:
Without question, God is speaking with His equals, and not the Angels of heaven. For God alone brought man into existance, and He is one God, that exist in three persons. The pluralness of the text, cannot be explained away, and that could only be accomplished, by a denial of what is so clearly stated.

 

​

Greetings!

I am thanks!

That we should, so let’s do that…

1. You must be more clear. Is God “one” in what sense? In essence or person?

2. Jesus is God. Jesus is not part of God, but in Him is the fullness of deity. Christ is fully God.

1 & 2. What makesyou think Jesus questioned his own goodness? His question wasn’t directed at Himself, but at the rich man, in which case we should ask why He asked what He asked. The rich man came to Christ and called Him “Good Master” (ἀγαθέ, τί ἀγαθο`ν) Good Master meant the young ruler seemed to hold Christ in high regard; however, he probably believed, as you do, that Jesus wasn’t God, only merely a Good teacher. So Christ’s response to him was a challenge, “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.” or “Since only God is good, and you call me good, then do you thus receive me as God?”​

3. When does He exclude Himself?​

4. The ruler’s question was wrong-headed. He ask “What shall I do”, or “what good works must I do to get eternal life.” In other words, he was asking how he could earn his way into heaven. You see, the ruler was a bit naïve, if not, arrogant. He questions what good things he can do to get into heaven, and when Christ answers “’Do not murder‘, ‘do not commit adultery,’ ‘do not steal,’ ‘do not give false testimony,’ ‘honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love you neighbor as yourself,’” he replies “All these I have kept.” Now this was obviously a lie, for Jesus Himself says, “anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:28) and “any who says, ‘You fool!” will be in danger of the fire of Hell.” (Matthew 5:22) Now do you honestly think this man never had a lustful thought, or spoken out in trivial anger against someone, or told a lie? Of course not, in fact he was telling a lie right then! But according to this young man, he had done just that: “All these I have kept.” Any honest seeker should have realized that keeping the law was impossible, and it was for this very reason that the law was given. The more one tries to keep the law, the more he realizes that he fails at it, and that he is therefore a sinner. As Paul said, “Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.” (Romans 3:20) And James said “For whoever keeps that whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it” (James 2:10) This is what the rich man should have realized in Jesus’ words, however his own arrogance blinded him since according to him, “All these have I kept.”​

Now, Jesus’ first attempt at showing the man his own imperfections was not successful by itself, and so Jesus added something else, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. then come, follow me.” (v. 21) And Bam! The barrier was broken. The man realized that he wasn’t so high and might, and in fact, sadly, “When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.” (v.22)​

​

​

A better question is whether or not there is a difference in the meaning of the passage between the two versions.​

To be continued…​

 

Your kind words are deeply apprecaited! I try my best to find sources I consider credible to back up my claims. I'm glad that these were helpful.

As mentioned in one of the sites, at the council of Nicea, there was a great deal of "arm twisting" going on to get dignitaries to "vote with the majority." The library of Alexandria, a haven of unitarian thought at the time, was destroyed about 317 A.D. Also remember that the trinity developed over a half-century's time. With all this said, I must conclude that until I have more solid evidence proving otherwise, that the actions taken in those days were not divinely inspired, but were the actions of individuals trying to impose their will upon the rest of the people. I must say that the model of the trinity as well as virtually all of the teachings that came out of the council of Nicea are suspect at best.

FTR, I'd like to say that you've provided good links off the Biblical Unitarian site. I will confess that I find their theology a bit too conservative for my tastes, but think that some of their information is quite informative.

 

Forgive my lack of understanding, but I'm not so sure I understand where you're going with this.

 

Christians believe in a triune God. Three persons making up the God head. Yet, the God head still remains only one God. Moslems do not believe this, but feel there is only one being that is God.
What I am pointing out in the Old Testament is when God speaks about making man, He is speaking with the other's of the God head. And that is why He states, ''Let (US) make man in (OUR) image, and in (OUR) likeness.'' Since God alone was involved in creation, no one other than God could be present.

 

Dear Campbell34
​

​

I know that this question is for speez, and I already commented on it, but you have to think about this:
​

A- speez: When you read scripture, you must understand the original message as these passages were written thousands of years ago and that language changes meaning over time.
​

B- the original text of the OT was written in Hebrew language right, so let us ask any Hebrew (Jewish who can speak Hebrew) if they have the same rule (grammar) as the Arabic language grammar regarding thisè (that there are two kinds of plural, 1. plural for [number]è (number of things, e.g. appleè apples) 2. plural for esteem and respect etc (it is used for personage people and God) *** when a personage or (VIP) is talking about something he did it or he will do it he says, for example: We will discuss this issue later not I will discuss this... so, God is the greatest when he talk about himself he can says we.
​

I think it is better to refer to the Hebrew's grammars. I think it is the same grammar because if not then why Jews didn't understand US/OUR as Christians?
​

C- If we will understand US/OUR as you do then it contradicts with many verses which I mentioned some of them! If there are two conflicting verses, then only one can be true; both can never be true or both are wrong.
​

​

You have to distinguish and find out the truth whether they were saying the truth or claiming. Their teachings contradict with OT and NT!!!! I will try to write a new thread regarding this someday.
​

​

I already explained this with details! OK, again,
​

I told you that in the biblical language, the term God is used metaphorically to indicate power and the like, for example,KJV Exodus 7.1: And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee agod to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. And I told you that it seem that the author is talking to king at the time, refer to my former post,So accordingly,
​

Psalms.45.6-11
​

6 Your throneè [he is talking to the king], O Godè[ K], will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justiceè [God always Just so he is saying to the king that justice will be The scepter of his kingdom, because God is already Just, why shall I say will be ] will be the scepter of your kingdom. 7 Youè[ K ]love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your Godè real God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. 9 Daughters of kings are among your honored women; at your right hand is the royal bride in gold of Ophir. 10 Listen, O daughter, consider and give ear: Forget your people and your father's house. 11 The king is enthralled by your beauty; honor him, for he is your lordè (he is talking about that king) because God doesn't marry or you know!!! Plus, I already wrote about the authorship and the ascription of Psalms!
​

Jesus the God son was born, right! Then he is the second God and this contradicts with, Isaiah 43.10-11: … ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
​

Isaiah 44.6: … I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
​

Q: is the speaker (the God) of the OT is Jesus the son God or the Father?
​

​

Well, I already commented on this. You said after wards, God is speaking with His equals , can you compare God with its creatures which cannot be existed without him? Who is the greatest the one that create or the creature? This comparison is totally wrong,Psalms 89.6: For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD?
​

​

​

I already commented on this, plus, Listen, myself I don't know and I am not sure if the above verse contradicts with the following verses if God's image is like us, perhaps you have an idea or explanation:
​

Isaiah 40.18: To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
​

Isaiah 40.5: To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
​

Psalms 89.6: For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD?
​

Jeremiah 10.6-7: Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? …, there is none like unto thee.
​

​

So, does this mean that they can be separated?
​

​

YoursSincerely,
​

CatStevens​

 

Jatom
​

​

Good =), thanks to God.
​

​

I meant by Is Jesus Part of God?
​

John 4:24: God is a Spirit, so does he a part of this spirit, i.e. a part of God's spirit has been given to Jesus so he became God? However, you answered that he is God.
​

​

​

!! *confusion* do you mean they are one? But they could be separated?
​

​

Because it is so clear and has been corrupted and changed in the NIV.
​

Plus, One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thoume good? There isnone good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
​

Jesus emphatically stated that “there is none good but one, that is, God” Why did he refer to the one God as the “good” one only and Why did he exclude himself from being good, if he were God?
​

I will try to make it easy, imagine that I am a Father in a Church and I believe that Jesus is God and the creator, a Christian man entered the church and came to me and said: Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Then I replied: why do you call me good? There is none good but one, that is Jesus the God, if I were God then call me good Master, but I am not.
​

​

​

Why callest thoume good?
​

​

Do you mean Good Master = young ruler! If so ''There isnone good but one, that is, God'' Does God the father is a younger ruler? Who is that God that Jesus is talking about!!! And why it has been omitted in NIV? Can you clarify it more?
​

​

​

I don't think so! Why it has been omitted in NIV then? And if it is as you say, then, does a God have a God?
​

​

Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.
​

Why did he exclude himself from being good, if he were God? è If I will not accept your explanation, theory about that rich man's belief in Jesus which it is like me as you said.
​

​

​

That I may have eternal life?
​

​

All these I have kept, the young man said, what do I still lack?
​

​

The lustful thought which is like committing adultery is if he looks at a woman and imagined that while he is looking at her, but I don't think when for example he was once alone and imagined any woman with such thing and if so, he can repent and repentance remove sins right!
​

​

Keeping the law impossible! Why it is so easy and for our advantage!!! Are you serious! God is the all-knower, and if he knows formerly that we can't keep the law then why he sent it? God knows we become week sometimes, that's why if we will repent and ask his forgiveness he will forgive us our sins!
​

Exodus 34.6-7
​

And the LORD … proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin.
​

​

Quraan: Say: "O My slaves who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: verily, Allah forgives all sins. Truly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
​

Quraan: Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. "Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error, ..our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us.
​

Quraan: Abraham said: "And who despairs of the Mercy of his Lord except those who are astray?" look he called them astray?
​

​

​

through the law we become conscious of sinè and without the law we become what? Sinless! Or better?
​

Deuteronomy 11.1: Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
​

​

Matthew 18.8: Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
​

​

Matthew 22: 36:
​

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
​

​

NIV+KJV Matthew 5.17:
​

Think not that I have come to abolish the law, or the prophets: I have not come to abolish them , but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the law, until everything is accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
​

YoursSincerely,
​

CatStevens​

 

Jatom

​

John 4.21-34:
​

(Jesus) saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Fatherè[ Look he say the father and Jesus is the Son, and father and son are metaphors click 1 & 2] Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: … and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. See, Jesus was right!, you aren't worshipping the father of Jerusalem (Jewish), father is a metaphor click for more about this, we cannot find such concept of God in OT, Actually, the Trinity isn't biblical, the word Trinity is not even in the Bible and was never taught by Jesus and was never mentioned by him, plus Isaiah's prophecy, Matthew 15: 7+ Acts 17: 18 regarding Paul: … He seems to be advocating foreign gods. The former prophets and messengers like, Elisha, Abraham, Moses, Aaron, Noah, Lot, Job, Enoch, Isaac, Jacob…etc, none of them gave such concept of God!
​

​

your God is totally different from the Lord of Israel, the one, *(Isaiah 43: 10-12) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
​

​

​

Matthew 15: 7: Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matthew 21.43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
​

Deuteronomy 13. 6-9: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die
​

​

​

(Matthew: 19.16-17) (NIV)
​

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
​

​

(Matthew: 19.16-17) (KJV)
​

One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do,
​

that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him,Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
​

The differences between the colored sentences with orange are completely different,
​

What you said about the rich man still a theory, and if it is as you said, there are still more verses, but firstly, answer the questions which I wrote above, please. And bear with me.
​

​

Yours Sincerely,
​

Cat Stevens
​