Santa is an anagram for Satan... and the devil was often known as "old Nick," while Santa is often known as St. Nick. Is Santa truly just the devil, subverting the minds of children to consumerism and greed? Note: this post is not to be taken too seriously.
yeah yeah claus- is lucas, which means "lucifer" how can it be bad if it makes you happy? i like giving and recieving gifts and jolly cheers, but what differnet is God backwords but you don't say anything about that
I love this shit, but when it is serious it is far more entertaining. Honestly though, Santa (the gift giving man of winter) is the Father Winter figure, or Holly King, WHO is based largely off of Odin the Teutonic father deity. Right down to having a sleigh with reindeer, Dondar and Blitzen. So since all pagan gods are just the devil in disguise, then yes Santa is Satan!!!! whoooo creepy. HA! Silly fundies.
LOL! I've always wondered about this. I mean Santa Claus is pretty obviously pagan (elves, magic reindeer,...), in fact the old european dipiction of Father Christmas--a thin bearded man in a hooded robe--always reminded me of an old druid. didn't know about the Odin connection though.
this thread is unpatriotic .... moderator, can you please delete this thread if you don't celebrate christmas and say merry christmas to everyone, you are a terroritst
What's Sanna Claws have to do with Christmas? Anyway I think Sanna is bad stuff. When someone tells kids that there's a God and then tells them that there's a Santa, that puts them at the same level. Then if they find out there's no Santa they might lose faith in God. Hencefourth maby Santa is a caricter propagated by the Devil himself.
It is all government conspiracy, Santa Claus is the FBI ( always checking up on you ), people teach their kids to be paranoid of this figure and be good because he is always watching. ooooo
Actually I've always found the idea of an old man who dresses like an elf and watches children when they're sleeping a bit disturbing.
In case anyone is actually wondering... Santa Claus or 'Saint Nick' is (was) a real dude back .. way back in (medeival era I think). He was deemed a 'Saint' by the Church somewhere along the line for his charity to children around the times of Christs Mass. Somewhere along the line (Im always told this is Coka Cola and Dept.Stores) they created a sort of 'Cartoon Character' of the Saint and did so using Nordic mythologies of Elves and of course your Reindeer. Christians enjoyed the idea because it was a great way to present some of the spiritual ideals of Christs Mass to children in a story form they would be able to grasp and love. Coca Cola loved it because it associated their product with values and got kids hooked on sugary drinks lol. While you might think you are taking the piss out of Christians by doing a 'send up' where you want to 'ban Santa and he is offff thee Devil' ... im sorry to report that does not work. Santa is not based on Odin either. Sorry.
St. Nicholas was described as the fat, jolly, rednosed character in 1823 by Clement Clarke Moore in "A Visit from St. Nicholas", commonly knows as "Twas The Night Before Christmas". Coke was invented in 1886, far after the poem was published. Moore must have had some wicked time travel skills to pull this one off. Coke might have picked it up and marketed it to heck, but they didn't "invent" it. EDIT: Snopes' page on the issue: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/santa.asp
here's wikipedia's article on Santa's origin, seems pretty complex, but it's basically a mix of St Nicolas, Odin, and Father Christmas...among other things. It's a layered history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_clause#Origins
Coke and Department stores in the USA are said to have popularised the 'modern version' we have known for the last few decades. The Human sized 'Elfish' Santa (or at least he has elves now) and the 'Nordic fable' type themes going on there is at least made famous by the commerical folks. Like I was saying - 'Santa Nick' is based (however loosely) on a real dude - a Christian guy who gave kids gifts and assaulted Arians (yes I said that). Of course you can find all kinds or influences of this and that and even depending on what sorta version you happen to find in what Country etc. Thats partly why a Wikipedia article is going to end up saying 'everything and anything' because in a sense it really is a 'free for all' when it comes to the versions around by now. Granted, the Real Santa Nicholas is not a really well documented historical figure and its probably true that he became a sort of 'cartoon story' even before the actual modern 'cartoon' version that came recently. But ..lol... Santa Nick was apparently one Badass Muthfukka back in his day! From a much later historical document about him: "Thanks to the teaching of St. Nicholas, the metropolis of Myra alone was untouched by the filth of the Arian heresy, which it firmly rejected as a death-dealing poison." Other biographers claim Nicholas attacked the heresy of Arius (who denied the full divinity of Christ) in a much more personal way—he traveled to the Council of Nicea and slapped Arius in the face! As the story goes (and this should be taken as fantasy because there are pretty good records of the council, and Nicholas isn't mentioned), the other bishops at Nicea were shocked at such rude behavior and relieved him as bishop. So we can conclude that Saint Nick gives gifts to children - but if you start screwing around with gnosticism then get ready for a fist fight with the man. He is a big dude so I would be concerned. I love it lol!
In fairness to herons idea - the modern version definately has incorporated a whole bunch of Scandinavian bits and pieces. I know my GGGFather on the one side of the family is from a tribe of 'Reindeer Herders' lol.. and I suppose you can find Santa versions which have the 'Odin' like Beards or 'Nordic Grandfather' sort of appearance. There are so many things mixed in now depending on what version of Santa - you can legitimately find something of everything.
It was Odin who brought gifts to children who left out food for Slepnir, his flying horse. They would put hay and such in their boots and leave them out from, Odin would fill them will candy or playthings. Sounds familiar. Later, Odin would fly around with his magical flying reindeer, Dondar and Blitzen, thunder and Lighting, doing the same thing. The idea of the flying reindeer came from the shamanic siberian legends. Much the same with the flying horse as well, Germanic/Nordic mythology and shamanic practice is very very similar to siberian shamanism.
