Africa.

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Alden, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. Alden

    Alden Member

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    Slutter are you willig to help us?
     
  2. freesmile

    freesmile Banned

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    people may help if you put what you are planning.
    africa needs our help, in many fields, what are you going to do about it? help in food aid, education, medical care?
    peacex
     
  3. freesmile

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    its the US that initited globalization by using other nations to make more money, and now the consequence is that its citizens now are more consmopolitanized and therefore care of the needs of strangers abroad.

    i can see why in theory it is a bad thing to a traditionalist, but without it other nations would be a lot more trouble, so i am glad people are now a bit more compassionate to the needs of others
    peacex
     
  4. freesmile

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    that wasn't defined 'friendly faced' globalization as it is defined today. and i am not just talking about africa, i meant the wider developing world. so if yuo are referring to actual modern globalization to the standards it is put in modern IR then yeah the US had the main initiation part because of the free market ideals. i was actually just making a friendly comment about karma ;)

    i agree if the gov't can stay away from these issues that would be better but not enough people give to private charities.
     
  5. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    Africa isn't feeling many effects of Globilization. They're feeling effects of globalized nations exporting products that they produce less effectivly therefore crushing there markets and the results of post colonial strife.

    What Africa needs more then aid is fair trade. Calling a nation the West uses as a labor market while crushing it's own exports and then calling a few billion dollars aid is ludicrous.

    Gilligan I haven't heard you say anything other then calling Africa a charity state and saying it's not the duty of our government to end crippling trade prectices we're largely responsible for.

    Russia, the US, and the EU are robbing African nations out of hundreds of billions of dollars anually because of export subsidies, and other factos, and then you call throwing a few billion a year aid? Western nations spend over $360 billion dollars to subsidize exports which means Africans can't selll their products.

    You can't expect average citizens to help out, they have very short attention spans. People can donate now, but the effects are not quite negligable, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the damage we do. they also can't intervene diplomatically. Saying we should end money our government gives when our affluence is partially based off their pain is arrogent and ignorant.

    Moreover, subsidies don't even help out our markets very much in the long run as they crush competing products within our system.Hemp anyone?

    Much much more of this money you work so hard for that you don't think the government should 'give away' is allocated to subsidies that crush African markets then is given as aid.
     
  6. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    Okay...

    It's not verbatim, but if you want to explain the difference between the two feel free.

    And the comparison to the American revolution is completly fallacious. Africa did fight long and hard to gain its independance, but it lives in a polar opposite market economy then the US did in it's birth. Africa is sequestered within it's borders and can only exand them by war, and that would help because the economies are built on global trade, while in colonial US the markets were localized which obviously couldn't work out anywhere in the world today.

    The US had to work long and hard to end unfair trade practices by England in the pre colonial days, but after that they could set up internal markets which can't happen in a globalized world.

    Theres also nothing wrong with Africa having globalized markets.... on the contrary, it would be great for Africa, but it won't happen while unfair trade practices are set aginst them. You can't actually think Africa fighting the EU is the right solution to this. It couldn't work, because the AU has about a 6,000 person military. They couldn't even reach the shores of Europe.

    And theres no econmic recourse... they have almost no economic leverage. And most African nations aren't willing to deny food imports when their people are hungry and rival African nations are accepting cheaper food. Should we just tell Africa too bad because they can't fight the US and Europe?



    What is your solution then? Because charitys working in the area clearly are not doing too much. I'd love to hear it if you have any other ideas, but if not I don't think cutting African aid would help at all. It would only lead to more suffering. Donating a couple billion dollars a year is a drop in the bucket, as pointed out earlier, we spend much more tax money giving money to practices which harm Africa economy then we give to Africa as aid. it's hardly a redistribution of wealth.

    If you have any solution to help the poorest people on Earth I'd love to hear it. Right now you're coming off kinda grinchy.
     
  7. Alden

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    I haven't been on the site for like a week man. Sorry, what have I been missing?
     
  8. Alden

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    Send in educational help man.
     
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