Which RC is closest to LSD?

I heard once 2ceaserwild say 2c-i (I think) is the mother of physodelics and then I think I remember The Flow saying DOH is better than cid (hard to believe) But is there one that everyone agrees is closest to acid? And if so, how does it vary?

 

I think you mean DOC, not DOH. DOC, for me, is better than LSD. Effects wise, 4-ho-dipt and 4-ho-mipt aren't far off either. I love them all.

 

how long does DOC last? Any negative side effects?

 

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yes I agree that DOC is the most similar to LSD, I LOVE IT. Swim Just ordered 100mg 3 seconds ago

 

I have heard that 2CE comes pretty close to LSD, but how can anyone compare things to such a wonderful creation such as LSD?

 

2-CE can produce LSD-intensity effects at higher doses, though the body component is much different...2-CE's the only compound I've tried that can hold a candle.

My supplier should have DOC in-stock by the end of the week, so I'll let you know how I think it compares...

 

sweet, let us know how it goes bro

 

I can´t remember saying that any phenethylamine is better than acid. LSD is a class of its own, other substances may come near it, but they´d never be the same.
All this "better" and "similar" or "close to" is always relative. It depends on which effects you´re trying to produce. If you want something that gives you really strong and complex hallus (even stronger than LSD) then you´ll have an interesting time on scopolamine (which is legal, because it´s used as a med) - at least if you find it interesting to experience, how you feel under a paranoid schizophrenia (and this stuff lasts up to 3 days). I´ve done it once because I was told that it was stronger than acid. But I forgot, how good it can be to stay in reality with some parts of your mind (like under acid). There´s no drug really like LSD, some aspects of a handfull of drugs may come near it, but that´s it already. I´ve done experiments with mixing some substances and came approx. 95% close to LSD, but in the end it simply wasn´t LSD.
If you want to experience LSD, you´ve got to get LSD! That´s it. Everything else will just be a more or less weak carbon copy.

 

Hi Flow,

Thanks for that answer. You are such a well of information when it comes to this stuff.

I totally understand what you are saying aobut RC's in general, but your claim that I could come 95% close to cid is amazing. Could you try and elaborate a little more on what the main differences would be, ie., what change would there be in the 5 percent that would make it different. More speedy? Less introspective? Any tohughts would be greatly appreciated.

 

The compound I was talking about was 2c-e. Notice the nick! lol... I've never heard of anything being able to produce the visual intricacy close to LSD like 2c-e can (save DMT or the belladona alkaloids that flow mentioned). Most chemicals DO NOT produce complex visuals, especially fractal visuals, without taking a ridiculous dosage. With LSD you can picture say, a castle. You can venture closer to this castle in your mind and see more details. Inside those details you can venture further and see MORE details, and so on. 2c-e comes close though... DOI, this was COMPLETELY absent, on a dose that had me tripping for three days. I got lost in hallways and shit, because of my vision being so obscured, but it wasn't detailed or intricate at all. I've not gotten to that level with mushrooms but I do believe it is possible because I read a trip report of 40 dried grams, in which the guy navigated through DNA and shit. Also, phens produce a different feeling in your body than LSD. On the phens I've done the come up is slow with a shitty body load. The shittiness of the body load sort of disappears after a bit, and a somewhat pleasant one is there. LSD is like bam you're making love to the stars in 30 minutes to 1 hour and the body load is more like being in heaven than anything else I can think of.

 

Well, generally I find higher doses of 2C-T-2 (20-30mg) to come quite near to acid. I once combined 20mgs of 2C-T-2 with 15mgs of 2C-E, that was the "95% acid" experience I mentioned. Thinking was not so fast and I could interact better with my sitter. But the intensity of colours was very much higher and at some points the body load was so high, that I almost couldn´t stand it.
Please: if you want to try that, get some experience with 2C-T-2 first (at low levels) and then start with low combos. And never do this combo without a sitter!

 

I never tried the 2c-t's, but heard they were visually intense much like -e. What are the differences to you flow?

 

For me, -e is mostly visual, while the -ts effects are much broader. 2C-T-4 is very long lasting and excellent for chilling, not too intense. 2C-T-2 is somehow like a fully controllable acid trip, but lacks some visual aspects and the synaesthesia (this very special ability to "feel" music and "taste" colours).

 

Some people do like to eat ten hits of good LSD. Definitely a rarity among the people of today though. We're talking about research chemicals, mostly psychedelics that haven't been around too long. "Designer Drugs" they used to call them back in the day.

 

I heared DOC comes pretty close

 

I hear that from some people, but I still don't believe it. lol... call me stubborn but most experienced LSD-advocates I talk to who have sampled say it does not, but they heard the same thing from some other people. Maybe they are thinking of low-dose experiences. But, even *heard* from a user here that someone who did Sandoz back in the day said DOC came close...

 

ah the words of the wise linger in mt brain

 

If you take like over 30 mg's of 2c-e you'd understand how lol, LOTS of visuals man they get complex like L. BUT The body load kind of sucks sometimes and shit, L is just supreme.

 

I'll let you know about my DOC trip.. Might still take a while for the right opportunity comes, cause it lasts so long, but once it does, ill let you know