want to kill another human being .....does your consciouse say so ? . if it does should "nt it not ............. me thinks so man . in other words 1.............2.............. 3.................4 we dont want any fucken war . this is"nt just a american problem man its a world wide one . somewhere over the r a i n b o w up above the streets and houses.
why is it that bad a thing to kill other humans ? I can see situation where I think it would be better for someone to be dead and what you call my Conscience wouldnt bother me a bit . wars seem a bit general in that your not killing a specific person and therefore slightly harder to defend tho. lets say you are being attacked by someone who is trying to kill you isnt it sensible to try your best to kill him back ....isnt it a bit unnatural to not fight in those circumstances . do you believe in some sort of god is this where you get these strange ideas ?
me personally could not kill a person, even if they were going to kill me, i would rather them live with what they did then for me to live with what i did. i consider my morals and ethics a major part of my life, but at the same time i understand them to be my personal beliefs, so i am not forcing them on anybody else. i could never believe or say someone is better off dead then alive. but again this is just my view peacex
seems foolish to me, where did you get this way of thinking, what if they tortured you a while do you think this might change your views . what if they were going to kill me or some kid would you shoot them then
i have heard many times from people that my view is extreme, but i really do not mind, i find it fooloish how easy it is for human to kill. i ahve got this way of thinking as all people from being myself, this is just what i believe. if they were going to kill someone else, i could see myself at best, shooting them not to kill, as in the hand/arm/ leg etc. i couldn't deal with myself if i killed a person on accident
I look at it like this I don’t believe in any other life than this one, or that there is some god watching what I do and that I will be rewarded for letting myself be killed . I like living and don’t see why I should be willing to stand by and be killed in the forlorn hope that my killer will see the light at some time in the future ....what I think generally happens is the killer gets encouraged by killing people and then kills more people . if there are large numbers of people like yourselves you get the situation like the fox in the hen house , or the Nazi in the concentration camp with the peaceful Jew taking the same role as the hen ,where the killer gets off on the power of killing creatures who wont fight back . I don’t see anything noble in your attitude I think it encourages violence. I would like someone to give me a moral reason why killing people is wrong, I don’t think there is one . if you take this example you have someone ready to gas a load of people you have a rifle if you shoot him those people will live if you don’t they will die . Why isn’t it better to shoot him, can you show me examples of the nkvd in Russia or the waffen ss having a mass change of heart most of their victims were non violent being non-violent just made their job easier. If you are prepared to kill one million children like the Nazis did how many more do you have to allow them to kill to say that your crazy self destructive experiment has failed. I can think of a couple of occasions where Jews rising up and killing Nazis effected the Nazis, sobibor and the Warsaw uprising both of these risings slowed the rate of killing ....the sobibor rising closed a Nazi extermination camp the only time I think that happened apart from when they were overrun by allied armies.
honestly i do not care if you see anything noble in my belief, because i wouldn't want anybody too, as it is a personal belief, i am not forcing them on others, this is what i believe. i do not believe if someone kills someone they get encouraged and kill more people, i do not have that belief of human nature, i may be naive but i think 'most' people who kill do feel some sense of pain in doing so. just my view, but i do believe so. i didn't say i wouldn't shoot said person if a number of people of lives are at risk, i would not shoot to kill thats all i said, i will try my best to stop that person without death i.e. shooting in non-fatal areas. and personally i think these examples are pointless, because i would never ever own a gun, never be face to face with such situation in reality, i think these examples are given to try and force a emotion out of people. i do not believe in the death penalty although i can see why people do, but i think it is awfully uncivilized and i am proud to live in a nation that does not allow it. i find said penalty hypocritical, and wouldn't help the situation in the UK at present. peacex
i did used to consider property as a major part of my thought also, i did used to admire neoclassical liberalism and especially locke, smith etc. although i know i may face some abuse but i have moved away from the anthropocentrism ideologies, i now see property as not being important at all, but i believe that my properties now means nothing to me anymore, but i will not critize your belief, because alas i used to believe the same thing so i would be hypocritical peacex
Killing to "protect youself" usually isnt necessary. I guess if somebody is pointing a gun at you, and you have one yourself, and you're not a great shot, you have to take the chance of killing them, but you should just aim for their arm or something (the one holding the gun of course). Just about any other way that some guy might randomly try to kill you and that you have an opportunity to defend yourself from him can be stopped without killing him. You'll probably have to jab his eye with your finger or kick him in the nuts though, and of course call some police while hes nursing his injured body parts.
and if he is stronger then you or has greater skill then you, you are dead the plan of engagement is always the first casualty.....
excuse me! do you know me and what i would do? humans are selfish naturally when we are born, but we also have the opportunity to gain things such as compassion, morals and ethics throughout life. if my life was in keopardy i would not kill, and i do definately know this. so don't tell me what i would do thank you, i respect everybodies opinion on here and see why they would, but i think we are all individuals who have different views. peacex
well unless you have been in the situation where someone is trying to kill you , you dont know . also you have the situation where they torture you for a while that could effect your views , Im not saying that there are not people willing to be killed but you dont know how you would react until it happens to you. ...I remember reading a account of a polar expedition that went wrong and there was a doctor who up to that point had devoted himself to helping lepers, who when he got cold and hungry stole food from sick men .and then you had a man who had been a complete waster who sacrificed himself to save his friends . The same applys to people who say they would kill some people hesitate or run from a battle, they dont mean to but sometimes thats whats happens.
i agree the state of the situation plays a part in what actually will happen, but how do you know if somebody is actually going to kill you? i have had a knife to my body twice, once by a gang who also had a gun on their presence, i did not respond by violence (prob out of fear) but i spoke to them, and gave them what they wanted and convinved them not to actually stab me. i respect your honest view that you could kill someone, i just think life is different to all, i know i have quite different views to many. i don't honestly think i could kill a human or even an animal, even though i can see in some situations where this attribute could prove to be a negative peacex
i have been attacked before and fought like hell to defend myself, and would have killed the attacker if i had to. it's amazing how strong you can be when accousted. i don't believe in killing either, but if someone is so evil to take a innocent person's life, why give up yours to allow them to keep gaining more evil? i worked in CPS, child protection for many years as a counselor and if you could see what perverts have done to young children, you might change your mind, i have seen some horrific things done to innocent children. but you're right we all have our own beliefs and minds. let us pray for peace on earth hippiewise angel
