Alex Jones puts Michael Moore to shame!

I know most of you MAINSTREAM, KERRY-SUPPORTING DEMOCRAT-LIBERALS won't care, but with all this talk about how "great" Michael Moore is, how come I don't see anyone mentioning Alex Jones' name?

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this name, Alex Jones is the founder of www.infowars.com, and has directed several independent documentaries that have covered the 9/11 attacks and related topics, and in far more detail than moneyman Michael Moore ever has and ever will.

I have a ton of respect for Alex Jones, simply because is he isn't a mainstream, multi-millionaire filmmaker who aligns himself with - and PANDERS - to the Democratic Party to serve his own cause and fatten his own wallet.

Unlike Moore, Alex Jones is a free-thinking Libertarian with his OWN ideas, who ALWAYS backs up his claims with SOLID FACTS.

If you want to see a REAL documentary dealing with the conspiracy behind the 9/11 attacks, check out Jones' 9/11: The Road to Tyranny.

http://www.infowars.com/

 

I agree 100%.

(I have a Libertarian leaning forum, and consider myself an anarco-capitalist. - http://xfactor.racknine.net/forum/ )

 

BreakForNews.com, 24th May, 2004 10aamET
by Fintan Dunne, Editor

The difference between Michael Moore and Alex Jones comes down to this:

Moore profits from 9/11 --with 20/10 hindsight-- after the event. Whereas, Jones predicted 9/11 --on air in July, 2001; made a better movie: '9/11: Road to Tyranny'; and virtually gives it away.

Moore's 'Fahrenheit 911' toys with the idea that 'they' Let It Happen On Purpose[LIHOP]. That's the lame version of reality for the popcorn-brained illiterate left. With backing from the HollyCorp establishment, Moore will now make a bundle.

Jones' '9/11: 'Road To Tyranny' explains how 'they' MADE It Happen On Purpose[MIHOP]. This dangerous notion gets no establishment nod or wink. And Jones is so focused on the message -not the money- that he let's you copy the movie to educate others.

According to the New York Post, Moore has ripped off Jones. So what else is new? "A real documentary by Alex Jones, had most of the "facts" Moore uses in his scatter-shot diatribe," wrote Richard Johnson in the Post's Page Six column.

Moore thought NATO hotshot General Wesley Clarke was coming to save us from the BusheNazis. He promptly endorsed the documented war criminal of Serbia, during Clarke's ill-fated presidential nomination bid.

By comparison, on his web site InfoWars.com, Alex Jones argues that Clarke and a host of other Trilateral-CFR-Bildeberg corporate front men --are but the velvet-clad, acceptable version of the same fascist fist.

Moore plays to the labor union cliché: the 'Fat Cats versus the Workers' divide. It's blue collar, class-struggle nostalgia from the last century. Buying into it is about as hard as cheering for your home side at the game. Come tomorrow, you go back to work as usual.

Moore is a quack doctor --tapping at your intellectual knee to get it to react as expected.

For those who don't subscribe to knee-jerk politics, Jones offers a subtler film-noire vision, which will nag away at you and drag you face to face with the grim reality of geopolitical scheming.

The kind of scheming which is happy to see the War Party in the U.S. play 'Bad Cop,' so that the globalist, 'Good Cop' corporate elite can come to riding to our rescue.

Before & After

Moore would have us believe that the political divide in the US is between downsized workers and big bosses. A divide straddled by Democrats and Republicans.

But with two Skull & Bones society members --Kerry and Bush-- running against each other, that divide is starting to look increasingly fake. The only differences between the two have been contrived.

The divide don't exist. 'Repubocrats' are one political establishment.

However, Jones and Moore are on opposite sides of the real political divide. While Moore bangs his downsize drum, Jones has been on the real stories for a long time.

The Waco Massacre was the point of cleavage. Moore's buddy Wesley Clarke was not far from Waco when terror became an overt tactic of the State. Maybe that's why Moore avoids these kinds of issues.

Before long, the OKC bombing had shown state terror was also a covert option. The aptly named 'Controlled Demolition' helped clear the site of the OKC bombing. And the OKC trail leads us on to 9/11, where once again we find Controlled Demolition' lending their expertise clearing the WTC site.

Those are the kind of links that ignite the attention of those who see the real movie about 9/11. The Alex Jones movie.

Those are the kind of links that the establishment's performing whale won't touch.

But don't just get 'The Road to Tyranny.'

Get Moore's simplistic movie also.

Believe me. When you finish watching Alex Jones' film, you're going to NEED a little comic light relief.

http://www.breakfornews.com/Alex&Me.htm

 

I'm aware of him and have seen his work (which is great), but you're right I don't recall hearing him mentioned on the forums, then again I don't read every single post.

Well, I don't know how rich Alex is, but why do people hate the rich just because they are rich. Not all rich people are "bad". What is the reasoning exactly? As for Moore, I don't really care if he profits or gathers his knowledge from others...he makes it palatable for others and gets the word out. That's what we need. It's working too. Obviously he's not the only one though, many great minds are working hard to counter this administration's attempts at dictatorship.

Do you have any facts to dispute in 9/11?

I recommend it too. It has "enlightened" several people I know.

 

Dictatorship not so much as world-domination. Same thing, though, I suppose.

I really have no problem with Moore being the capitalist he is.

I am not entirely against capitalism myself.

It's Moore's methods, coupled with his capitalist interests, I don't like.

Let's face it, Moore's movies (and books) do not appeal to a very intellectual audience. As I have always said, I consider Moore's work to be sort of the fast-food of left-wing politics.

Yes, I suppose for mainstream audiences, Moore's work is good - if not great - for making people take a look at that side the mainstream media won't present.

However, I am not in that mainstream majority. Nothing Moore covered in Fahrenheit 9/11 was anything I didn't already know from extensive reading and research.

Moore could have made a much better documentary than he did if he didn't try so hard to be sarcastic, witty, and overtly sensationalistic. Yes, ripping on Bush for two hours is funny to us that hate him, and will draw people into the theatres in mass-numbers - hence making Moore a lot of money.

But I don't think Moore's movie will convert many people - most of whom already hate Bush - using the cheap shots, the diatribe, and the condescending rhetoric Moore often resorts to.

Don't get me wrong, I liked Fahrenheit 9/11. I liked the way it was put together and produced. But, as somebody else said, it only preaches to the choir.

Unlike Moore, Alex Jones doesn't rely on senationalism and cheap shots to sell his movies, but rather pure, solid information.

Both are good at what they do, but are very different in how they do it.

Not really. Did I say I did?

It was all pretty much right on the money. It's the first Moore documentary since his debut where Moore doesn't rely on extensive fact-twisting to make his points.

Other than that, not many unknown facts were presented. I think every somewhat informed person knows about the Bush/Saudi connection and the Carlyle Group, and all the more obvious links in between.

It's nothing new to many people, including Bush-loving Republicans.

Most of the movie was based around humor/satire, which to me sort of cheapens the whole message. Yet at the same time it attracts people in numbers.

I guess there is both an upside and a downside.

To me, Moore will always be just a big-name filmmaker with his own agenda, whereas Alex Jones will always be the true documentarian.

 

I agree Rat, i too found it to be at best a basic synopsis for those who have willfully refrained from connecting the dots of all disparate revelations of fraud and fabrication and abuse of power over the past three years, but it certainly wasnt the movie or the expose it could have been.

 

alex jones is the guy behind the skull & bones reports too =p

 

the difference between the 2 is that moore tries to appeal to the mainstream with his message, introducing them to facts that they would of otherwise paid no mind to or even had knowledge of, while jones goes deeper into the conspiracy and busts it open for those who are more out of the mainstream....both have their own role, one is just more concerned about money and noteriety than the other......

 

its not like alex jones isnt out for money either though... if you go to infowars you get to see all his links to buy his videos about the conspiracies hes made up.

for instance the skull and bones thing.. he goes into calling it satanic worship of the skull and bones which i think could be further from the truth... hes just introducing satan into it to spark somethin in people.. i think skull and bones organization definitely needs to be looked into more but i think its much further from satanic worship of the countries ruling elite... and magical fireballs cast from the sky... lol

They are both out for money ^^

alex jones speaks as much bullshit as any other human being.... just a tad more truth.

 

yea, i feel ya with the skull and bones bullshit...but today i was listening to AJ on his radio show....a man called in and asked for permission to show his film at a theatre...he replied send me an e-mail and i will authorize it for you.....that doesnt sound like someone who is out for the money to me, also he allows people to copy and distribute his material, not for monetary gain however.....if you are leading a cause you need to have funds to back it up, and the way to gain funds is to sell a product if you have one, the money definitely plays a role to one degree or another, but i think moore definitely has more intrest in noteriety and cash......

 

Rat, I understand completely what you are saying by comparing Moore and Jones, the problem though, you seemed to have pointed out yourself. Not so many people know about Jones, though many know about Moore. And while I agree Moore could have made a better movie for those of us who did already know everything in F9/11, there are/were millions of Americans who didn't know that and that is mostly who he was appealing to, so you have to understand what perspective he was coming from. I mean there really isn't much point in preaching to the choir is there. Sure many republicans know, at least those well versed in politics, but I know for a fact that no one in my family nor anyone that I work with knew of any such connections and the movie could be a very good eye opener for them. And because it is more humorous people might be more inclined to check it out.

I do agree, Jones did make a much better film, and I'm not exactly fond of Moore myself, but who's movie was seen by more people?




Side note: I wish everyone would stop labelling the "left" (meaning anything slightly left of center) as stupid, ignorant, and illiterate. Come on, do we really need to stoop that low?

 

Yeah, any kind of judgement like that is ignorant... be it the left or the right... generally speaking all humans are just as able to be misinformed... there are smart liberals just as there are smart conservatives... no one is always smart though, and everyone does stupid actions at some point in their life.

 

I'm guessing 'Skull and Bones' is American for Knights Templar/The Masons?

 

Well, they "appeal" to me, should I be insulted by your comment? I enjoy humor, a lot of movies are not terribly intellectual yet extremely entertaining. I consider myself to be educated and fairly smart. Of course, Moore's work is not the pinnacle of my investigations, I rely on more credible and independent sources for the framework of my beliefs.

Yes, let's face it, people are lazy about getting informed. A tremendous amount of people just don't care. They feel they have other things to worry about. So if you have to dumb down the mechanism for distributing the important info, then I think it's fine. Make it appealing to the mainsteam. After all, as you said, they are the majority, so they will be making things happen.

I don't fully agree with that, some people are questioning things more due to seeing the film. I've lent out 2 books of mine to someone who wanted to know more. Also, I think a popular film like this leads to other similar films (including Jones' film) getting attention.

Very true and I admire Jones much more, but I can't help but be pleased that 9/11 is out there too.

No, I was just wondering since you seemed to imply in your 1st post that Moore doesn't base his work on solid facts. If your talking about previous work of his, then I agree. But I think everyone can take away something valuable from his work.

 

I guess I'm not resourceful enough. I genuinely try and seek out any and all information, yet aside from my first grade classmate, this is the first time I've ever heard of Alex Jones. I appreciate your sharing Matt as always. I'll have to the see the film, I'm sure its brilliant.

 

Sorry, but Jones as far as I'm concerned is a CIA operative. I do believe in wealthy elite and government conspiracies but his manner of "filling in the blanks" to create such detailed pictures of such an all powerful highly organized cult-like group with nearly total control and "satan" behind it all, is just the thing to keep the average person from "questioning".

What I mean is, if something illegal is going on in your neighbors house, and you wish to protect them, when the rumors start to spread on the street just take the rumors and exagerate them so much (like, they are alien monsters) that most people wouldn't take them serious. It's a form of "dis-information".

What ever you think of Moore's methods, he's putting questions in the mainstream, like no one else has been able to do. Sure it's pop and sensationalism but that seems to be the way to get most Americans thinking outside the box. His movies aren't meant to be the last word, just the beginning of many words from all different directions. I don't agree with him on everything but- Go Michael!

 

I personally think moore believes in the conspiracies that Alex Jones Believes in, such as the gov. engineering 9/11, but he won't come out and say it for fear that he will be labeled a conspieracy theorist and that nobody will take him seriously (which is stupid, but i can see where he is coming from). In one of his movies (The Big One) he even comes out and says he believes the CIA is involved in Drug Dealing and Crack sales, I just think Moore wants people to take him seriously and he wants his beliefs to have a big effect on our society, so he appears realistic to people so they will listen to him and not label him as a stupid conspiracy theorist (of course I do not think conspiracy theorists are stupid, especially being one of them, I actually believe conspiracy theorists are some of the smartest people around these days, but a large majority of the population thinks otherwise...)

Just my two cents...

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Dan, the majority DON'T think (or connect the dots from one report or revelation to the next) but rather merely absorb the advertisement driven platforms which masquerade as news and information in the US today. This is why anything too substantial or systematic in its approach elicits the "conspiracy theory" retort so that they may more easily avoid having to confront the ugly reality which their apathy is helping to reinforce day by day.

Intellectually lazy and culturally relativisitic sums up our modern national identity to a T, and that fact is seen clearly by the rest of the world which can but look on in utter astonishment at how insular and self righteous such willful ignorance can be. A testiment to the decades of sustained corporate effort to dumb our nation down to a sufficiently gullible and malleable level we see evinced increasingly on these boards.

 

For those who do value ongoing personal investigation and research, I would recommend a further video (which you can find increasingly in p2p share (if you use DirectConnect or DC++) put out by Michael Ruppert. It is a tape of his lecture given at Portland State University on legitimate investigative methodology in examining the inconsistencies of the 911 coverstory.

The video is entitled "The Truth and Lies of 911". Let me know if you have trouble finding it and perhaps i could burn you a copy.

He also has a well documented history (as a former LA Narcotics officer himself) of revealing those links bewteen the CIA and global drug distribution to which you made reference, dan.

 

well now, i wouldn't be so hard on all americans in this regard. after all, most of us didnt' have a single civics or political discourse class until we were in our senior year of high school. our parents were both working to finance things that they thought would be a good life for us, most of it useless. there was little political discussion or exposure at home, because many of our parents ALSO never really had an in-depth exposure to politics and world issues. and most of the most ignorant people i know (in regards to politics) are well-intentioned good people, but completely baffled and intimidated by the immensity of the machine. these are people working for their homes and spending time trying to eke out some enjoyment of this world while they can, and if it ain't broke (so far as they can see) why fix it? yeah, they're not thinking deeply about it, not seeing the cracks in the system, and not WANTING to see the cracks for what they are, but they're too scared to look any deeper.

i think it would be a very good thing to begin an education in world issues and politics at an earlier age, maintain a curriculum throughout their school years. encourage children to continue to study politics while they're in school, make it a priority. history class is not typically taught encouraging discourse and critical thinking. kids are smarter than we think, but we're letting an essential period of their formative development to pass by. onc ethey're out of it, many will be too intimidated by their own ignorance to delve much further.