"new " faces of anti-semitism

I don't see anything wrong with baseball caps instead of kippahs, but when it's suggested by the gov't I do have a problem with it.

I'm all for individual rights, so I suppose that's where this bothers me the most.

Can assimilation go too far? Most definitely. But where most Jews don't cover their heads at all, any head covering would be an actual increase in piety, not that I would suggest covering the head as the best way to begin to take Judaism more seriously.

Forced assimilation is really the problem. It's what the white man did to the native americans. And now it's France's policy.

I would rather ask, when is forced assimilation appropriate? I think that's a more difficult question to answer. My feeling is that it relies on assuming an absolute. And I have a hard time doing that. But I can see that at times it is necessary.

 

I'm not too happy with the French at all right now. They abuse Separation of Church and State as an excuse to mistreat Jews and Muslims. Remember when those girls got suspended from school for wearing hijabs? Separation of Church and State is a beautiful idea which is supposed to allow people to practice their beliefs freely, not to limit them.

 

The French need to learn to practice what they preach. They have all this inspirational rheortic, but that's about it. It sometimes seems that nowadays all freedom means is "freedom to be just like the rest of us."

 

I believe the ruling on that is as long as the cross is small, it's allowed. Which is really stupid. Chrisitians, even fundementalists, are not required to wear crosses, most just do as a style thing. Which is fine, but Orthodox and stricter Conservitive Jewish males have to wear a kipa. Most Muslim woman, even more liberal ones, wear hijabs. A lot of Muslim men cover their heads, as well. But because they are "big", they're not allowed? That's not right.

What, exactly, is wrong with wearing a kipa to school, anyway? It's not like anyone's forcing non-Jews to wear them. It's not like anyone's forcing them to be Jewish.

 

No, the rule forbids every signs that shows your religion to others IN SCHOOL. It includes small ones, as a small cross, as soon as one can see it.
Of course the way the law is applied can be discussed and critiziced.

The government didn't suggested jews to wear baseball caps instead of kipas.

I am not sure it is correct to say that most muslim women wear hijab.

I am not sure you can compare the law against the religious signs in school with what happened to native americans. When I am writing this, I feel how totally stupid it is to say something like that.

This thread shows me how far people want to listen what they want to listen. Drumminmama you wrote France and that lead people to misunderstand your point or what?

The assimilation process in France is far from being perfect, the first immigrating flows in the beginning of 1900's showed that clearly. It is funny because a third of all french have ascendent from other countries. We are so scared about what is different, it takes time to get used to something and not be scared.

The situation is so fuckin complex it would take months to understand each other without begining an argument.

Peace

 

You are right. The situation in France is a little strange these days. I am sad you have to realize everything is not so good in France, cuz in fact, it is not so good in France

 

Yes it does.
Jews often complain about the behaviour of french in our country. I don't know if this is very true, because I don't insult jews and don't threaten them. But it must be also true, because if not, they wouldn't complain. I think the threat comes from the less favorised people, I know some and they sometimes call jews names. I never saw that as very serious, more a silly way to make fun of them. It is sad I know.
The world situation between religions influence a lot the situation in France, because we do have a lot of culture here. It is such a complex situation...
I heard about jews leaders saying they are threatened for a long time (maybe 5 years or so). But I don't often hear some cases in justice. It means it is more like a day to day bad behaviour, which doesn't really comes to bad acts today, hopefully.

Peace

 

happy challah bread!

 

i been trying to find information on why jewish people don't like challahpeno peppers? if you are going to call something challah bread, then why not put challahpeno peppers in it?

 

This week end I went back home in France (I study in Germany this year)
And in a free daily newspaper of my town there was something about what we talk about. There has been 934 cases of related out of law actions caused for antisemitism grounds in year 2004 in France. This represents half of such "acts" commited in 2003.
Just for the info.

Peace

drumminmama if you mind you could write more about what you said of US europe contacts at fathers founders were alive, plz write more, actually I don't know much about this... I dont ask you a lot of words, it is not an essay. Give me just what you know and think about it. Thanks in advance

 

How can you all be so melodramatic? Anti-semitism? Shut up. The rest of the world is slowly waking up, seeing the danger of religion, no matter how mild, and is deciding to move away from it. This is a good thing for all of us, even if you're too stupid to see it.

Religion SHOULD be kept out of school. Quit bitching and see the benefits, you fucking idiots.

Jews, like all religious idiots, should be treated badly till they get it through their thick skulls that religion is the cancer of our society. The reason people hate you is because you think only of your stupid little tribe, and as a result, society at large is divided, and made to suffer. Either we mix, and do it properly, and wholely, or we just kill each other now and get it over with.

Jews have no right to make out like the world is against them. Less than 2% of the population you say? Well, you have done well indeed. Less thatn 2% of the money, the power, the political influence? I think not.

 

France is scared of civil war in which they'll get massacred by Muslims.
So what if they burn synagogues? They aren't touching Notre Dame....

Of course this kind of capitulation is futile, eventually the synagogues will be ashes, and they'll start on the cathedrals.