What do you think about gays?

You didn't offend me....I understand that you have your beliefs and they differ from mine. We can bump heads, it doesn't actually matter.

You seem like a good guy, so it's all good...

 

Disagreeing with another’s opinions is one of the things that I think this forum is all about. It is wonderful to see the range of opinions that people have and I learn a lot from reading others posts. However, I would hope that no one is ever offended by my disagreement. I myself try to keep my opinions and my ego very far apart, because many times after talking to people I find out that my opinion was ill informed or foolish. Please do not feel that I dislike someone just because I do not agree with all there beliefs. Lord if I did that I would never have any friends or a wife either for that matter (grin)

 

I find christians to be inhuman, and disgusting...but that's just me.

 

I understand what you are saying. I just think that they are being fake by overtly acting hetero. And one way that I feel respected by my friends is that they trust me with the fact that they can be themselves around me. It is one thing to not be comfortable being open about something and another thing to mislead by masking and disguising or even portraying oneself to be the opposite!

I'll have to admit, though that on one occaision a few years ago I was having a few drinks at a bar with a friend of mine who was gay. Eventually he started to go into detail about one of his recent "courtship" experiences. I had to stop him and change the subject because it was just way too weird and discusting for me to listen to. I wonder if gays get as discusted hearing about straight males encounters with women as I do hearing details of gay males encounters with men???

 

gays are human too, let people lve how they choose to i say

 

That's a good point...I didn't think of it from a respect point of view.

I wouldn't find it disgusting....but that's me. Some people just don't like to talk about other people's sex lives. Perfectly understandable.

 

Vuk-Em iv gay can't take ah joke.

 

I find some ideas that Christians and conservatives hold difficult to accept. However, that does not mean that the people who call themselves Christians or conservatives are unacceptable. In addition, I have only met one Nazi in my life. He was a close friend of George Lincoln Rockwell and was a weird but interesting dude.

 

Never did I say I was christain, I believe in god that is true and that all people were created equal, I did say that I do not believe we were created for sexual relations between same genders. Myself find organized religion to be revolting among many other things.

 

I agree with Fortunate son on more than one thing...

First, as far as the homosexual issue goes, I do no support the act of homosexuality... Nor do I support smoking, or premarital sex in general. However; I look at a gay person and I see a person, who may happen to be gay. I am not going to treat that person any differant than any other person. I am not perfect, I have no problem admitting that.

And so you know, not ALL Christians are stuck up conservative homophobic jerks... I get angry with them too. I don't like George Bush, I am have considered and still consider differant forms of socialism including communism, and even anarchy. I am a pacifist, and I am not afraid of listening to people's beleifs that vary from mine. I consider myself open minded, and recognize that everyone has SOME THINGS right, and everyone (including me) have some things wrong, and we should all hear each other out in order to search for truth.

I consider myself a Christian in that I follow the teachings of the Bible, but I also don't consider myself conservative. But many, and actually MOST of my friends ARE conservative Christians, (I USED to be very conservative, I was emancipated from mental slavery, as Bob Marley put it) and I love them all just like I love gay people and everyone else!

So don't assume that EVERYONE who is a "christian" is a conservative, republican, war-mongering homophobic facist!

 

I wish my pussycat was gay-- I wouldn't have to put up with kittens every 7 or 8 months.

 

My cat IS gay. All the other toms are are terrified of him. Poor effeminate darling.

 

You love gay people, just like you love your friends, so do you support gay marriage?

 

No, I don't support gay marriage. Neither do I support smoking. I am not going to buy someone a pack of ciggarettes. But it doesn't mean I think any less of that person BECAUSE they smoke... And most of the time they don't think any less of me. I mean, it is their own choice to smoke. It won't do me or them any good to say "hey you need to stop smoking!", it will only likely cause an arguement and possibly hard feelings. Just like I don't agree with homosexuality, so I am not going to say that I support marriage between two people of the same gender. But it is their choice to be gay. It won't do me or them any good if I decide to be homophobic or something like that. I would miss out on the opportunity to meet and befriend some really interesting and nice people!

I also equally do not support homophobia! But that doesn't mean that I won't be friends with a homophobic for that reason. Maybe some good vibes could rub off on them and they give up being homophobic. I mean, we ALL have our hang-ups, you can't discriminate against someone for having them, whatever they are, or you become what the entire counter-culture movement is rebelling against!

And I am sorry if I didn't clarify that I do NOT support gay marriage in my last post. I thought I did, but I guess not.

 

Good call. I'd have to say that I have a very similar view.

 

I just don't understand how you can be so open to homosexual people, but yet partake in denying them a right that wouldn't even affect you.

 

Yeah....exactly.

It doesn't matter if you think it's wrong, because they're your views and your values. It's the same thing as pushing religion onto others.

 

<quote> It doesn't matter if you think it's wrong, because they're your views and your values. It's the same thing as pushing religion onto others. </quote>

But by telling me that what I think doesn't matter, it is denying me the same right! I can't vote FOR something that I disagree with and have a good conscience. However, if this becomes an issue again when I can vote, I doubt if I will vote on it. The reason being I couldn't vote FOR it, but then again, it is something that does not directly affect me in any way. So I would probably sit that one out. It really wouldn't matter if gay people where permitted to be married or not, because they are going to be gay regardless. But I just cannot vote for something I can not agree with.

I would like to thank you mushie18 and BassistReid. You have caused me to think a lot more about the subject, and opened my mind some more... I hope that I have been able to do the same thing for you. And my veiw has changed. Rather than voting against it, I wouldn't vote at all. God Bless you both!

 

It isn't in my mind. There is a fine line between respecting other people's views and infringing them. Two gay people getting married won't affect you. You can think it's wrong, but it's none of your business in reality.

Tons of people are against meat, for instance, but they don't get to vote on the issue and infringe on the diets of others. I think this is the same thing.

That's pretty interesting....you are quite welcome...

 

Yeah but a lot of the vegetarians and vegans, ESPECIALLY those involved with PETS (even when I was a vegetarian I dind't support PETA becuase they pushed their views on everyone else) would vote to make meat illegal if they had the chance!

"It isn't in my mind. There is a fine line between respecting other people's views and infringing them. Two gay people getting married won't affect you. You can think it's wrong, but it's none of your business in reality. "

(How do you make the quote box work, anyway? Without pressing the button that is...) But by you asking me to basically say it is okay, THAT seems to be basically doing the same thing to me, becuase it seems as if my right to oppose it is being taken away! Or at least attempted to be taken away. There is also a differance between respecting someone's views and agreeing with them. I respect the your right to be gay (I read that you are on your profile) and your right to support gay marriage. It doesn't mean I agree with them though. I don't know... I will have to think on that for a while though, because on the surface it does seem like voting against it would be denying the right... But then again it isn't a right (yet) so how can one deny something that doesn't exist? Dang it... I think I will stick to my descision of not voting... It is really a confusing ordeal, at least on my side of the fence. But I respect your opinions, and/or at least, the rights behind it and I trust you will do the same for me.

But as I stated before, the fact that someone is gay doesn't change my opinion of them anymore that it would if they smoked or anything else like that... It is all about choices ya know? I don't support all the choices some people make, but in most cases their choices don't hurt or affect me so I shouldn't think badly of them.

You seem like a really cool cat though, and I am happy we have had the opportunity to cross paths! I am always up for meeting people who make me think, and you have made me think a lot! I hope that I have returned the favor!