Something thats around the intensity as shrooms???

and based on my experiences and those of people i know, i tend to doubt the flow's claim that you could take any 2C- chemical and go out in public. sure, in the right dosage...but why would you want to with most of them? even 15-20mg of 2C-E would cause nearly anyone to be tripping WAY too hard to behave normally, whereas i could take one or two hits of acid and be fine. in fact, i've tripped both on acid and mushrooms in public park areas, sometimes even crowded places, numerous times. i could never dream of doing so on a fully psychedelic dose of 2C-E, though 2C-B, for me, would be even easier than being out on acid or mushrooms.

again, everyone is different, and there is no reason to believe that a research chemical will be "safer" for him than LSD.

 

nesta is right. try some acid. we dont also need more people buying rc's and freaking out or making mistakes...it will become illegal faster and ruin it for others. i really dont recommend rc's until you are very familar with psycedelics. even tho some rc's can be gentler/easier han shrooms, we dont need some one to fuck up on a dose and go to the hospital. shrooms and acid are safer than rc's as for now. stick to them.

 

I'm still going to have to disagree with the LSD bit; the only compound I've ever had touch a full-blown LSD experience was 2-CE, and that was at dosages of over 40 mg (e.g., dangerous territory).

Also, I've never had problems going into public on 2-CE...Hell, I've gone to work after a fifth of La Fee, insufflated 60 mg morphine sulfate, AND 30 mg of 2-CE combined without having any problems acting straight (though I did have to make a couple trips to the bathroom to vomit throughout the day!) It really depends on the individual's experience with any given compound and whether or not they feel they can handle themselves in public under it's influence...

I'd definitely recommend LSD, but the chances of actually getting LSD on blotter (as opposed to DOx) is slim-to-none. The DOx's aren't generally enjoyable trips, and eating 2 or 3 hits could mean an entire day's difference in duration.

I'd have also recommended San Pedro or any of the mescaline-containing cactii, but this was posted in the Synth forum...

 

It really depends on the individual's experience with any given compound and whether or not they feel they can handle themselves in public under it's influence...""
like he said

 

well i dont get it every time, the first 3 times i did shrooms i didnt get the feeling, but the last 2 times i have. Im just wonderin what drugs are known to have less of an anxiety and fearful feelings. Teh trip is always great, just the start i hate, and im wondering i theres any way i could possibly avoid that.

And if i got 2CB, id start with probly 5, then 7 or 8, then gradually work it up.

ps. does the mg stand for milligrams or micrograms or what?

 

I little bit of xanax or valium is perfect for anxiety. Only take a little if you take any because I have heard, not sure though, that xanax and valium can weaken the trip if you take to much.

mg = milligrams
mcg = micrograms

 

hmm how many mg's do u reccomend of xanax or valuim. cause its just the anxiety that bothers me

 

Learn to deal with the anxiety, it's much healthier than depending on pharmaceuticals to do it for you. As long you've done your research and have everything prepared, you won't have anything to worry about. Usually when I dose, I forget about ingesting it the second I swallow; then I do some work around the house or entertain myself (like watch TV or read) to keep the anxiety away.

BTW, µg = microgram, not mcg.

 

gott another quesiton here. If i buy a pill of 2CB and he says its 5 mg, if i weigh the pill on a scale that shows mg's, it should weigh up to 5 mg right? It might sound weird but can smeone answer the quesitoN

 

^^yes it should weigh 5 mg. but you have to also realize the capsul weighs something also...and if it isnt in a capsule and in a pill then maybe it has binder/ mixers or other fillers to "make" the pill

 

and i know that i hear alot of people taking xanax and valium but really it would reduce your trip when taken. best to take them when your coming down to help sleep or even better not to take them at all. theyDO help. but like someone said....just stay away from them. you wouldnt want those pills clouding up your mind when tripping. but if it helps you and other then go for it...whatever works best for you

 

mcg and µg are both commonly used for micrograms

 

I'm sure they can reduce the trip with high enough doses, but say.....1mg of alprazolam wouldn't really reduce it enough to notice. Also, xanax is essential for those occasions when you just can't fend off a bad trip. I know he's not talking about a "bad" trip really but that's why I only said 1mg to just releive him of the slight anxiety.

 

I´m wondering why no one (so far) has remarked, that the intensity of a shrooms trip not only depends on the dose, but also on the kind of shrooms you use.

Mexican shrooms are quite benign, South American shrooms are much stronger and Hawaiian shrooms are the strongest available. Somewhere in between there are the European shrooms (but I know no resource, where one could buy them).

 

no, the intensity of a mushroom trip depends on the dosage, the substrate it grew from (dung gives greater potency than brf), and the species. their is absolutely NO evidence to support the idea that various strains of cubensis (i.e. the mexican, hawaiian, etc. standard among dutch headshops and the like) have ANY difference in potency.

i've grown out several strains of cubes (classic thai koh-samui, golden teachers, cambodian, ecuadoran, puerto rico, and one or two other strains) and none of them CONSISTANTLY show differences in potency. there are differences in potency, sure, but grow cams and gts side by side one time, you may find one has better potency, but do it again you may prefer the other. the only characteristics you can even come CLOSE to counting on showing consistant differences is in the aesthetics....for example, "penis envy" is a novelty strain with tiny caps, making the shrooms look like small circumsized penises, one variety (malabar, i believe) tends to never break the veil, golden teachers usually have stipes so thick that sometimes they arent even hollow.

there can be differences in potency from one grow to another, even with all things pretty much the same, including substrate, temp, humidity, etc., even with spores coming from the same print. but unless its due to using a more nourishing substrate, the potency differences are VERY minor, almost negligable.

many people prefer one strain over another for one reason or another, but the reasons they give are often the exact opposite of perceived differences that other people note. it really all boils down to the fact that cubes are cubes, and it's as simple as that. the psychological/visual/somatic phenomena noticed during any trip is ALWAYS different, and it cannot really be considered a matter of potency in most cases, but rather simply a different trip.

thats not to say different SPECIES aren't stronger or weaker, for example Psilocybe cyanescens and Psilocybe azurescens are both quite a bit more potent than Psilocybe cubensis, but among any given species all the mushrooms should have generally similar potency.

also keep in mind that the methods that people use to dry or prepare mushrooms can affect potency to a very minor to very great degree. furthermore, stomach contents, mindset, other drugs you may have in your system, etc., can also all effect the trip.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. It's something I have to preach to people all the time, and theres always a few who fight it. I think the main concept comes from the major differences in pot seeds/genetics. Methods have an enormous effect on the end product there, but so do genetics. People like saying, "Oh, some Thai cubes just came to town." While it really means that a guy ordered a syringe and decided he liked one name better than another. Cubensis simply aren't the same. Placebo does go a long way though.

People like exotic sounding names, whether it's Koh Samui, Northern Lights, White Fluff, whatever. (Althought white fluff is among the superior LSD, 99% of those who use the term have no idea what they have. Sometimes just use it as a name for white blotter.) A decent example of this is the fact that people rave about their "orange sunshine" hits. It might just be orange blotter, sometimes even with suns on it. But they surely don't have 35+ year old hits in wonderful condition. Furthermore, it wasn't even on blotter.

 

But how would you explain the following:


I´ve done both Mexican and Hawaiian shrooms lots of times. I´ve got them from several different vendors.
On Mexicans, I never got higher than a ++, but Hawaiians always shoot me to +++, mostly even at smaller doses than I use with Mexicans.

 

well, i've thought that "hawaiian" was a type of cube sold by vendors over there, but a little looking around online today turns up the fact that they may well actually be a different species, Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Copelandia cyanescens) which is quite a bit stronger than Psilocybe cubensis (aka Stropharia cubensis.) so what you're looking at may well be the difference between one species and another, not to different types of the same mushroom.

still though, different STRAINS of cubes or any other type of mushroom make little to no difference.

 

That´s exactly what I tried to say. Shroom´s are not the same. So if someone asks for a substance that´s "around the intensity as shrooms", he should first explain, which species of shrooms he wants us to refer to...

 

well i have no clue what type of mushroom im eatin. I just eat them,, feel sick, THEN have a good time.