i need a healthy woman in her 20's or 30's to be the host of an in-vitro fertilized egg, carry it to term and give birth to my little baby. just so you know what you're getting yourself into, i am cloning myself and this effort may in fact make medical history, so be prepared to be in the limelight and to have your life changed if all goes well. you'll probably get rich as a result of the books and movie rights that may come afterwads. i've already hired a professional videographer to document the 9 month ordeal because this will be one for the history books and the material so recorded will be used in documentaries, books and magazines and probably the movies that will sure to follow afterwards. that's not why i'm doing this though, but hey, i'm a realist and why not do it right, right? i never had kids or any kind of home life really, as i have dedicated all my time and energy in my life thus far towards career and what i guess you could say is "worldly" or "material" achievement. now, i have all the "things" i need and want and a future of the same and one that's pretty much secured, barring any kind of global economic dislocation of course. just when i would've thought i'd be happy, instead i can't help but to feel empty and "blah" about it all. even travel isn't a sufficient escape from this feeling that i made a huge mistake in not going the family route like all my brothers & sisters did. so here i am, a man in his 40's, very successful, at a turning point, needing that which i never thought i would - probably because i come from a huge fam, so i never thought there'd come a time when i'm NOT surrounded by people. when i hv a twilight zone moment and go back to revisit my own personal history, i realize that the best part of my life was when i was a little boy growing up in my parents home in a middle neighborhood in my little town. "i never knew nothin'. i was just my faters son, in my little town. . ." - anyways i have these vivid memories of it all, just like being there, and it was as if life was . . . perfect. therefore i've decided to go back in a more real way by cloning myself. i've put alot of thought, time, work and energy into this and even started a separate biological research facility, as a separate entity from my mainstay business which involves the provision of analytical services to corporate and governmental entities worldwide. i have successfully cloned several species including mice, cats dogs and most recently, the rhesus monkey. so the time is ripe to attempt to clone myself using advanced techniques never before published - and they won't be published until after delivery. this is my goal. it will be accomplished. it will be an advancement of the science and much good can come from this methodology. my dream will come true. it will be done. for the chosen female surrogate there will be much by way of compensation, not only with regards to the fee that will be paid, and this will be entirely confidential and negotiable, but also in the "fringe" benefits of all the hoopla and social impact that will follow. you must be prepared for that, because while complete privacy and confidentiality will be maintained by my corporation at all times, before and after birth, it would only be a matter of time before some news hound finds out your identity and you know what's to follow. however, the upside of that is how you will become quite famous and wealthy over it all. all i care about however, is getting a healthy little baby boy that will live in the loving house i will provide, as i watch him grow up to become his own person, wondering at his life, his leanings, his failings, his learnings and his achievements, and all the ways he differs from me and is the same as me too. only serious inquiries please!
bahaha i love it when people refer to human pregnancy using the word "host". hey... are you one of those mad scientists with the hot messy hair and sexy lab coats? do you have glasses? and rubber gloves?? a/s/l
well i use "host" because that's an accurate description, but i mean it in the best sense of the word. idk, maybe i should use "surrogate" instead? i mean, whatever the word thats used to describe the birthing mother, believe me i'm aware of the whole emotional side of it and how that is an important part of being "human" as you say. i didn't mean to come accross all clinical but i can see how it might seem that way. as far as my "looks", think of michael rosenbaum's lex luthor character in the hit series "smallville" for an approximation, except i'm a little more rugged looking and my body's more "sculpted". but now that i think of it *lol* with all the secrecy i've had to employ wrt the stated purpose and location of my personal research lab, i see strong parrallels of sorts with luthorcorp's so called "level 3". all kidding aside though, i am about as serious as one can be about all this. also, i wouldn't completely exclude the possibility of marriage for the sake of my clone so that he will be brought up in a normal stable household w/both parents present and of course for the whole nursing/mothering imprinting thing - but all that would depend on the host, er . . .mother and if there was chemistry (sorry for the pun here) between us. also, i travel a good deal and that's part of the reason i think the opportunity to go he normal family way in life eluded me as i was establishing my business i.e. most women want their man at home most of the time, you kno? unfortunately that aspect of my life probably won't be changing anytiem soon, if ever. i'd say i'm away from my house about 50% of the time in any given month. such is life, or lack of one. *lol to self* anyways, while there's lots that could be debated, and joked about, and who hasn't heard or read about it all, i AM serious. i want to start within the next year or so - i' mean the sooner the better, but i'm flexible. all expenses will be taken care of, of course, and like i say, i am highly motivated to negotiate for whatever fee the mother-to-be would think fair and equitable, within reason of course.
this is honestly my all time favorite thread. i'm saving it. i know "host" is accurate it's just that too many people try to keep away from making a fetus sound like a parasite. i love how you say... "i'm aware of the whole emotional side of it and how that is an important part of being "human" as you say." "my clone" "nursing/mothering imprinting thing" "but all that would depend on the host, er . . .mother" you're so adorable ^.^ sorry that i'm the only one responding so far and with nothing really important/interesting to say at that.
*closes eyes and smiles warmly* ahhh . . . thnx for that sweetie. how you just managed to stimulate the firing of enough dopamine terminals in my limbic system so as to reach the critical threshold for feeling a sense of goodness, or a "fuzzy" as it is sometimes referred. thanx for your nice sense of humor and gentle spirit, but so as not to imply that this is just a joke or something, let me reiterate that this is a serious proposal in this "Help Wanted" thread, albeit an unexpected and shall we say, extraordinary one for this venue. my lawyer has researched this as far as one can for an event for which there is no precident. he has however drafted a contract that he believes is fair and equitable wrt all parties concerned and as i say esp wrt to protecting the birth mother even to the point where all of her health care expenses will be covered, free and clear for the rest of her natural life, regardless of what she decides her role will be, if any, after delivering my baby for me. there is as of the time of this writing, no federal statute against what i am trying to do although you can just imagine the outcry come late 2006, if all goes as planned.
There's a possibility we already have cloned babies (though many are skeptical): http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3116 But I understand you are also saying you want a kid, who just so happens to be a clone of you. My guess is that you would be very public with all this (unlike research sofar), dispite the negative attention you and the kid (and surrogate) might get. That, or this is all BS. But cloning is a cool subject so I thought I'd pipe in.
Thanks for the ref Sera Michele, btw, cool avy! Yes the ever controversial Dr. Sev! Lol. There is to my knowledge no coroborative evidence for what he claimed a few years back. While significant advances in this whole area have been occuring in Italy (Korea and England as well) there has been nothing in the scientific (peer reviewed) literature. While it's true that it may have been done before, there's no telling at this point. While my initial impulse would be to publish what would become one of the greatest scientific articles in the history of the biological sciences, and to let that then be the crowning achievement of a lifetime, that's like putting the cart before the horse, so to say. My motivation isn't to "be the 1st" but simply to create a home for my son and to experience the love and all the ups and downs that come with that and, in the process, marvel at a kind of "mini me" running around. To raise a child the way you'd raise any child, with all the love and compassion, agony and joy they evoke from you is a life challenging, life changing, life giving experience. To do so with a child that looks almost exactly as you did when you were that young, exhibiting most of the same personality traits, biases, likes and dislikes, must be an even more extraordinary adventure. You would in essence, and to some real degree, actually relive and reexperience your entire childhood AND you'd be so much better as a parent since you would understand in a way no ordinary parent could, just what your child is feeling, thinking, experiencing, wondering. You could therefore understand, guide and teach with greater efficiency, skill and success. If a highly qualified candidate made absolute secrecy, privacy and confidentiality conditional for her to accept the position, then I would have no problem incorporating language to that effect in the contract. My aim isn't to become famous and rich (I'm already the latter - to a healthy enough extent anyways). My aim is to have a kid that just happens to be my clone. Sounds weird when I say it like that but only because this is such a new concept right now. I didn't spend all the money and time doing the research for nothing. It was intense work and 120% dedication for almost five years where I've literally spent all my time when not traveling for business. I ate and slept in the lab so the work was never interrupted, never paused. All the required lab work was done using autoinjectors whenever possible, as for the instrumental analyses for reagent purity. Experiments were in constant progress, lots of trial and error until I finally discovered several key procedural maneuvers that made all the difference - like night & day. This is an extremely technique dependent methodology - where subtle changes in procedure have a profound influence on whether the fertilized egg will successfully implant or not. I've succeeded two consecutive time in the rhesus monkey, and counter to popular belief, these animals do NOT have any congential deficiencies or disorders. They are health rambunctious monkeys, normal as can be, and so are the mice, dogs and cats that were created before them. The latter were given to friends as pets, w/o their knowing their history of course, and I have an occassion to examine the animals and make casual inquiry from time to time, whenever I visit. Never has anyone ever complained and each animal has the look and behaviour of a healthy, ordinary pet.
This thread blows my mind in the strangest of ways. I do believe I'm at a complete loss over what to think.
Idk what that means, but you are quite attractive TheMistress I fully anticipate this kind of reaction. Please don't get me wrong and absolutely please, don't, don't think the following comment is intended to reflect on you Biida, in any way, shape or form okay? To explain what I think is behind your disbelief is the fact that many area's of research in the biologically related sciences have been adversely affected, and to a relatively extreme degree, by those who have a power hold on this country (the U.S. that is). If I may wax political for a moment, the situation which has been extant for SIX long years now, clearly derives from the way half of our land is populated by those who are anti-life, anti scientific, pro-religion, pro-death and commonly ignorant. The god-fearing, gun-toting, gay-bashing, god-damning, gospel-thumping, god-bless Amerika crowd have become mesmerized, mobilized, organized and terrorized by those monied elite who are very clever & innovative, very opportunistic & manipulative, very greedy, very wary, daring and uncaring, very paranoid, very conservative, very lets_go_to_war_again hegeminous maniacs. The former just need to be educated and enlightened whilst the latter need to go back to the 20th century where they belong! The upshot is that advancement in many areas of the biological sciences has been greatly slowed or stopped altogether. Stem cell research is a case in point. One's perception that all cloned animals are freaks and congenitally defective is another. Remember, THEY control scientific funding, THEY control the media, and if you don't get your information from other sources THEY will control your thinking, your feelings, behaviour, expectations and, well, your entire waking reality. I give you: the Matrix. It is real, it is effective, it is control, it is repression and baby, it is happening NOW! So, all I'm trying to say by this diatribe of sorts, is that the small increments in scientific advance that would have been doled out over time, over the past six years or more, has stopped. But the research hasn't stopped. Not abroad anyways and not in my privately funded research facility either. You are thus hearing something new and exciting and maybe entirely possible, or at least highly probable, and hearing it for the 1st time NOT over the Carl Rove - Dick Cheney controlled air waves, but through a venue such as this, which for the moment is still open and free. For intrepid scientists who are dedicated to the Truth, to the bigger business of an unfettered science, dedicated to the real and open spirit of adventure, research and discovery, will NOT be dissuaded from their path, whatever that may be. It's all about "Freedom of Choice" whatever that may entail. As long you're not hurting anyone else in the process, no one group, no matter how well organized, how self-righteous or smugly self-justified, no one should be able to infringe on your birth right that is self-determination. Our stay here on this planet is so short. What greater crime can ther be than to deny a person that which is his or her true calling in this world? Mine just happens to be Science. I am lucky because for all my life I've been able to take advantage of the skills and aptitudes I was born with. I was able to develop them and make use of them without any distraction or responsibility other than to the one pointed focus that has been, and is, my scientific/business career. As a result I have become quite wealthy and now, realizing there is NO fulfillment or lasting happiness on this overly material path, I simply want to apply those same skills to become spiritually enriched as well. My life has followed a highly circuitous route to get me to where I'm standing right now. I realize I am "different". In fact I am reminded all the time and especially when I show up at family gatherings. I love and enjoy to no small degree being with my brothers and sisters and all their little kids and tiny tots at thanksgiving, christmas and the family summer cottage in the country. At the same time, these are the times when I am most alone, like a stranger outside, looking in. I'm attacking a problem the only way I know how, by science. But in this instance, I can't do it alone. I need the help of another. Believe it. It's true. It's safe. It's to your great benefit and the gift you give me will be returned to you ten thousand fold, as your life will become safe, secure and enriched for all of your days, just as you will have enriched my life, for all of mine. Only serious candidates should respond to this inquiry. Thank you for your time and especially your patience with my rathar passionate views. Peace Out, jA.
It may take years before a woman could give birth successfully to a cloned baby. What about dangers to the mother? http://www.nap.edu/openbook/0309076374/html/42.html (posting this so you know what I am reading, if you are a scientist researching in this area I'm sure you know all this) What are your scientific credentials? Have you published anything on your cloning efforts an animals?
i'm currious about the legality of all this... i was under the impression that cloning humans was illegal. it's odd that you'd post on a forum known to be, at the very least, scanned by narcs and pigs every now 'n then. what if one decided to "follow up" on you with a convincing undercover piglet? that would sux0r and you'd be pw0ned. so what's up with that? btw, i still love you. but i'm also drunk.
ah, so it's YOU! you who put the "grr" in "girl" ok, gotta work now tho. will come back and let you maul me later. okay girrrrl? *jA leaves thread for now, feeling a little tumescent in one place. he thinks to himself: "what IS it with that woman?" *
0.o *waits* fucks... i gave you a chance and believed your unlikely story. now i think you're full of it. where have all the real mad scientists gone?
And you're looking for this ground shattering host/surrogate/indentured servant on a hippie/marijuanna advocacy forum?(not putting down anything, I'm a huge advocate of marijuanna...erm, medical of course, and humungous blunts to boot! ) Dude you need to talk to a specialist, or just go to Vegas, they'll have what you're looking for
wow this must win an award for the strangest thread ever...i'm curius as to his banning not to riskit myself..just curius..lol very very odd indead
someone clearly watched too many episodes of desperate housewives. yes, sir, i will allow you to borrow my womb to your baby..Pshht. Eat your face.
Would the baby be banned and have those red swirling eyes as well? Ah, how my poor self has oft-thought about surrogate motherhood! I am appalled that you would tease me on a notion that offends my scientific mind and tintillates my mamamind. I can't afford having babies for myself right now, and would hate to give one up that was 1/2 me. So I would either put in someone else's fertilized egg, or put in a clone. Don't you wish you had an identical twin sister then? That would give you a clone. So really then, a clone of you is just like incest. Dolly you may remember died of all sorts of complicated, incestually-reminiscent ailments. And who says having some different genes from a mother wouldn't be just as good as you? Or, dare we say, better, which is what evolution has striven for for millions of years? And cloning in its non-clinical but practical way has been going on for thousands of years. A man and a woman have say 15 babies together, and one of them is bound to be the spittin' image of his father. Especially if the man and woman share plenty of genetic traits. A man can also, especially when rich, have lots of "wives" (I of course recommend only choosing women who would agree to multiple sister "wives" [polygamy is illegal of course in this country] so a nurturing environment is what you want-- remember you want a similar environment to how you were raised so I guess if you had a tumultuous childhood you want to provide that to your boy) and get those odds way up. Thank you for the mind-stimulation!
