Can Islam coexist with Peace?

I'm not sure that it can.

 

That was not nice...

Eventhough it is opposing to parts of the Koran, there are VERY nice and gentle Muslims out there...( if they can label themselves Islamic...but still).


lol, did you know that in a Harem it's often the WOMEN controling the man?
I heard of some that just boss their Husband around, and if he refuses to let himself get controlled, - watch out guys! XD

 

The majority of Muslims, by far, are folks who simply want to be left alone, raise their families, have a little pleasure when possible, have decent work, and basically just live. All they need to do is kick their religious leaders to the back seat like the West did and decency, common sense, and self-interest will take care of the rest. Keep the mullahs in power, problems will persist and probably worsen. It's all about choice.

 

you see, what you do not realise is, in islam ..we got no leaders, unlike the pope!

 

look at whats happening in france no islam cannot exist at peace with other people.

The problem is that the rest of the world doesnt realise how evil islam is yet , pretty stupid of the rest of the world I suppose .

mohammed played the same game at the start of islam and the people who thought he wanted peace ended up dead or slaves

 

If you're going to make shit up, then make up shit better than this.

 

Well acually there is no hierarchy and no priests or church system,thus you can't do something equivelant to seperating church and state since there is no church.

To answer the question; yes Islam can co exist with others in peace and its history is enough to prove that.

 

read the

The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims
Robert Spencer (Editor), Andrew G. Bostom (Editor)

Sword of the Prophet
Serge Trifkovic, Srdja Trifkovic

Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide
Bat Ye'or

The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude by
Bar Ye'or,

There are a number of other books as well but thats a good start , look at the apartied secondclass status of non muslims , look at the commands to fight to spread the religion .

jihad is about killing people who stand in the way of the spread of islam and we can see this being carried out around the world today

 

is there a line we can draw on ignorance ?! possibly not, good luck anyway

..we, the evil ones can co-exist with the ignorants too

 

well could you show me where in the Quran Jihad is described as an inner struggle.

Why are the blind ill weak and women exempt? why do you need weapons and have to prepare? Why did the Prophet say after conquering Mecca No migration Now only jihad?

doesnt sound very peaceful

 

For one thing, the prophet(peace be upon him) said that the inner jihad is the greatest of jihad thus showing that jihad-nafs does exist. I am not denying the physical jihad at all but I am defending it!


Do you as a (perhaps) daunted -due to the worries that circumblate the world today- westerner feel any aversion towards a war against terrorism and/or injustice of the highest degree to stabilize these "worries"? I think most people would approve of a war with such a purpose, depending on the means ofcourse. I would claim that islam not only did this but that the means it used were great aswell.

It (jihad) was established to spread good and the means were good aswell, its narrated that the prophet said(peace and blessing of Allah be upon);

“Go out in the name of Allaah and by the help of Allaah, following the way of the Messenger of Allaah. Do not kill any old man, infant, child or woman… spread goodness and do good, for Allaah loves those who do good.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2614)

And it says in the Quran (interpretation of the meaning):

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help.''(4.75)

Did you know, johnny, that many people from the inhabitants of Rome(christians) used to send letters to the caliph and close companion Umar to fight the oppression of the Romans? The people of Damascus, Jerusalem etc benefitied from getting rid of the Romans, why?
The romans forced them to many of their ideas which the muslims did not, (with the muslim goverment) they kept their lives, religion, churches and they were promised to be backed up by the muslim army in return of paying the jizah.

As I said before, the means they used were excellent(compared to what some people claim is jihad these days, alot of it being basicly a disgusting form of terrorism!). The first caliph and closest companion Abu Bakr told his soldiers whom he sent to the Syrian border:

" Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"

Can islam co exist with peace and can muslims co exist with non muslims?
Il quote one verses and that should be enough:

"Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity"

 

touché cabdirazzaq !

 

That can't be right, because the Romans were long gone well before Mohammed was even born. There was no caliph back then.

 

The Roman empire became split, it wasnt gone. I was speaking about the byzantines who were under the leadership of Heraclius.

 

Im sorry its taken me so long to respond to this but been very busy

anyway

its good cab that you admit that islam encourages war to spread the religion, there are special blessings for killing people and fighting jihad. .

thats why we see people around the world wherever they accept islam killing and oppressing non muslims, they are following the example of mohammed and what they are taught in the religion .

not all muslims do this all the time but some do apply the teachings of the koran and haddith .

luckly most muslims like most christians dont follow what the religion teaches

as mohammed cult became stronger it became more violent, much like charles manson.

when he was on his own manson wasnt that dangerous he was a cowardly short street punk , but when he convinced people he was a prophet he had his followers go out in a gang and kill people .

if you imagine a situation where manson wasnt arrested early enough, he could have become a guy on the same scale as mohammed

you can see how mohammeds revelations become more violent as he got more followers if you look at when suras were revealed .

so you have the suras that muslims like to qoute like to you your religion to me mine when he was in mecca .

but because they fail to tell you that this is abrogated by later suras the ones from medina where he had a army that tell them to fight and kill non believers you may get the wrong impression and think that islam is a tolerant religion .

this article will explain whats going on

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/abulkazem/face_of_islam.htm/url]


“Go out in the name of Allaah and by the help of Allaah, following the way of the Messenger of Allaah. Do not kill any old man, infant, child or woman… spread goodness and do good, for Allaah loves those who do good.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2614)

if you kill the old man and the women and the children there is no one to make into a slave cab and no one for the muslim to rape.

so that statement isn’t that impressive, also I can think of instances where muslims did kill women and children including pregnant women and this was at the time of mohammed

jihad was established so that muslims could justify their crimes if you are a thief and a rapist having the excuse that god tells you to do it I suppose eases the conscience.

if you had something like fight oppression and dont make the people you capture into slaves, and dont rape female captives that would have been a more impressive commandment .

today we have armys that dont make people into slaves and that dont rape women captives, so it was possible to do in those days, but strangely what claims to be the army of god didnt do that

early muslims were not persecuted to any great extent the early Christian church had a much worse time generally, the people who did the persecution were muslims
most of Mohammed’s battles were offensive .

in fact islam has taken advantage of people who were tolerant towards them a process we can see happening around the world today

http://www.historyofjihad.org/

 

“Go out in the name of Allaah and by the help of Allaah, following the way of the Messenger of Allaah. Do not kill any old man, infant, child or woman… spread goodness and do good, for Allaah loves those who do good.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2614)

if you kill the old man and the women and the children there is no one to make into a slave cab and no one for the muslim to rape.

so that statement isn’t that impressive, also I can think of instances where muslims did kill women and children including pregnant women and this was at the time of mohammed

jihad was established so that muslims could justify their crimes if you are a thief and a rapist having the excuse that god tells you to do it I suppose eases the conscience.

if you had something like fight oppression and dont make the people you capture into slaves, and dont rape female captives that would have been a more impressive commandment .

today we have armys that dont make people into slaves and that dont rape women captives, so it was possible to do in those days, but strangely what claims to be the army of god didnt do that

early muslims were not persecuted to any great extent the early Christian church had a much worse time generally, the people who did the persecution were muslims
most of Mohammed’s battles were offensive .

in fact islam has taken advantage of people who were tolerant towards them a process we can see happening around the world today

http://www.historyofjihad.org/

 

There are some major differences between typical Islam and typical Christianity (or anyone else really).
Christianity, for example, is 'Evangelical' but has zero interest in governments or lands and if people are not interested - you leave them be.
Buddhism doesnt care about governments or establishing any dominion over anything.
Hindus - same deal.

Islam is different - its not only a religion but its a system which is to be for government and (according to Islam) SHOULD take over the world.
The goal IS to have the world and all who are in it submit to Islam.
Do you understand Im not 'accusing muslims' of something here - Im telling you that IS what the Koran is about.
Whenever possible - all nations are to be converted.
Nations.. not just 'people in them' but the Nations themselves.

Now your going to tell me that Islam does not and cannot 'force' anyone to believe or not.
Of course thats true.
However, Islam is to give you the chance to convert and if you do not - then you must do two things:
-Do NOT oppose Islam or evanglise for your beliefs.
-Pay extra taxes to support Islam.

Just because they CANT do this yet doesnt mean they do not 'ultimately' intend this to be the final endgame.
As for violence - that is the last resort.
Thats true - but the fact its a 'resort' option makes Islam totally different than just about any other World Religion out there.

 

very true erasmus ,you can see this process in countrys being turned into theocracys, like iran and the constant battle every country that has a large number of muslims to stop it them becoming theocracys .

and how muslims kill or scare people from pointing out what a low life mohammed was and what a nasty religion islam is .
this process is world wide even in countrys with small numbers of muslims

by whatever means necessary as malcolm x said, so if they can use money they will use money to buy media outlets, or they will use politics , or violence .

another thing is the way muslims will play the media, they do a attack and have some talking head say how it has nothing to do with islam , its quite funny really how people buy this lie .

hitler did the same thing he would have his boot boys attack some jews ,and then say it wasnt the nazis , or just blame his attacks on the jews on the jews themselves .

 

Jonny, www.faithfreedom.org is a great site!!!
10x

 

yes faithfreedom.org is a great site Ive been posting on there for years .

ali sina the iranian apostate behind the site puts a wonderful case against Islam being true, or mohammed being a prophet, he also understands how dangerous islam is .

its a pity he doesnt have the sort of money that used to promote islam , its a unfair fight , what I would ask is why people like ali sina are never allowed to give their view of islam on mainstream media .

every attack the same people saying its nothing to do with islam and that islam means peace blah blah blah......nobody saying that mohammed commited mass murder or that murder and terror are part of the religion and have been from the founding of the religion .

The people who say that all the terrorism and war comes from offensive jihad and the actions of mohammed are right, and unless you say that that is the case your going to get nowhere .

I went to a Library today and all the books on islam were pro the religion , there are lots of books written but for some reason I never see ones that could show the negitive side of the religion .

a good one to start which Ive just read is the politically incorrect guide to islam by robert spencer hes a chistian but I really liked it .
ali sina should be writing some books on islam and I would imagine they will be wonderful .