NaTuRe RaViN' - blue lotus+ h woodrose?

First, let me say that I know when it comes to the Big E, there is nothing like the real thing... but circumstances have prevented me from being able to use the real thing in over 3 years. I am an old raver kid who, in his prime, used a lot of ilegal synthetic substances. But MDMA and I were always a match made in heaven. I still love the scene and have been extensively researching natural (and legal) alternatives that could give me just a taste of the things I miss: euphoria, empathy, energy (dance dance dance), visual and auditory distortions/halucinations, and the "mind trip". I know it wont be the same, but I am hoping I can find something to try at an upcoming major rave to really push it over the top- kind of like the good ole days... something better than my staple redbull and vodka, all I have now...

hypothetically, if I were looking for a legal, natural substitute for Ms. Molly (MDMA)- what do you think of this? PLEASE offer suggestions if you can, I am new to these substances. You wont hurt my feelings! ha ha

around lunch, HBWR tea- 5 seeds crushed and mixed with distilled water, chased with pepto bismol.

off to the rave with 2 g of 20x blue lotus powder divided into 4 doses... start dropping them along with redbull and vodka to taste.

how does this sound? should this make for a good time, or is there something I should add/change?

 

so what exactly makes you think it is a good plan in teh first place?

 

Bill,

You're right on! I do NOT know that its a good plan at all, its simply my starting point from which to build one. Thus my request for input and advice.

My reasoning for the selection of substances is based on the trip reports from several websites.

HBWR for the generally enjoyable (if often nausiating) trip with reported enhancement of sensory experience

Blue lotus for the reported euphoric effects, which appear to be enhanced when combined with alcohol,

And the tried and true energy drink thrown in there because, well, that throbbing electro beat will drain the batteries pretty quickly.

All of these are readily available and will not result in my engaging in any activities which could result in the loss of my livlihood.

As I said, I am new to these plants so suggestions are appreciated. Penny for your thoughts...

 

ok then, well i dont think it would be a s substitute for mdma, but it could still make your time good. ive just not heard of those drugs being compatible with rave atmosphere. i mean lotus is meant to be calm and relaxing for one

 

Yeah we were in a ritual circle last night smoking lotus, salvia, and hash doing energy malnipulations. Lotus isnt energetic, its very chill.

 

if you want something up and energetic, with some psychedelic "otherness" to it, i'd suggest probably the best way to do this (without using synthetic substances) would be tea made with a combination of black tea, a little bit of ephedra herb for some extra stimulation (ephedra contains ephedrine, which is now banned in most states, but you can often find dried ephedra that can be ordered online), and maybe 2-3g of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms. this dose of mushrooms shouldnt make you TRIP per se, but will be enough to give you a great body buzz, make you giggly and goofy, and maybe slightly give some visual distortion. the ephedra and tea will both give you some energy and keep you alert (for me, mushrooms are just a bit sedating), but they wont produce any euphoric effects worth talking about, and nothing at all like ecstacy.

i dont usually like stimulants, so i wouldnt do this, because while i like some psychedelics with stimulating properties (MDMA, 2C-B, 2C-E, even LSD to an extent) i dont like things like ephedrine, which is more like really lousy speed. if you like stimulation itself though, then mixing this stuff with mushrooms should change the experience of the shrooms to a more energetic, speedy one, possibly more conducive to dancing.

now as a former raver i'm sure you understand that most drugs regardless of legal status or general nature can have a potential for some nausea or stomach upset. this is definitely true with mushrooms (though the tea helps ease this for me considerably) and it's also true with ephedrine and caffeine....so make sure you aren't taking too much, and don't drink the concoction TOO quickly cause the mushrooms hit you much faster in tea than in solid form, so they could easily make you sick just from drinking it too fast. if you do get sick, you should be fine shortly after.

i dont know what your situation is where you can't get illegal drugs. is it because of testing? falling out of the loop and having no sources? i dunno...if you simply dont WANT to do them anymore, than trying to recreate the experiences with legal substances is not going to work well. you'll never fully recreate it, so if you want it, take the real thing. anyway, i'm getting to my point now lol....if you simply cant GET illegal substances, than the shrooms may be difficult to acquire. if you live in the rest location, you can pick them easily enough, but take someone with you that knows what they're doing. on the other hand, anybody can grow mushrooms at home for personal supply. its not legal, but its easy and discrete. spores ARE legal to possess in every state except california and georgia, and you can buy them online. go to www.shroomery.org for info on how to grow your own.

at any rate, if you're looking for a nice blend of psychoactive "natural" substances, then mushrooms DEFINITELY should take the place of the HBWR seeds, because they quite simply are infinitely superior in quality of effects, and the negative side effects are less severe AND less common.

i make tea nearly every time i use mushrooms, and i know black tea works well and will not cause extra nausea for me. however, i am not someone who uses ephedra and have no idea if it would cause more nausea. due to the nature of the drug, i'd suggest it depends mostly on dosage, but there is a good chance it will make you a little more nauseous than with just mushrooms and tea.

 

Okay, sounds like the lotus may be out of the mix.

Wow thanks for all the input nesta. I did try psylocibe one time a few years ago (at a larger dose) and had a good time.

My reason for avoiding the illegals is testing. I work in a place that requires testing for any number of things that could happen at any time. If I get into a car accident (even if I get hit!), I would have to test. If I slip and hurt my ankle, test. If they just decided to be dicks and test everyone, they could test. And in my profession, getting canned for drugs would pretty much be the end of me.

Jeez I feel like a tool! lol. So although I would prefer to go with the old tried and true, I am just trying to make the best of it and find some fun alternatives. Alcohol has never been my drug of choice- its terrible on my body and mind.

What are your thoughts on Amanitas? I've read up on erowid but haven't really found a direct comparison with thier illegal cousins.

 

I tried amanitas once and got nothing more than a minor stoning effect and VERY profuse sweating. Wasn't very fun but they affect everyone differently. I could be wrong, but I think it's very uncommon for jobs to test for Psilocybin and psilocin. From what I understand, it is rather expensive to test for these chemicals.

 

hell, if you want some honest to goodness tried and true good-for-the-soul sacraments, then forget this ecstacy nonsense and go for something that will not only take you to the limit of reality and your mind, but allow you to partake in breathtakingly beautiful experiences you never could have imagined before....LSD, psilocybin, mescaline....none of them show up in a urine test. psilocybian {psilocin/cybin containing} mushrooms can easily and discretely be grown at home, peyote is illegal and isolated mescaline is extremely rare on the markey but some other mescaline containing cacti ARE legal, and LSD is around if you know people. also, there are research chemicals available that, while not necessarily preferable or even as good as LSD or MDMA, definitely rival them with the intensity of the experience, and many can be even more profound. if youre looking for something like a "normal" trip, 2C-E is a good bet, i felt just quite a bit like being on acid with just a little speed (though there was persistant, but mild and tolerable, stomach ache throughout those trips)...DPT is also on the market, and is a VERY overwhelmingly powerful psychedelic along similar lines to the most legendary trip of all, DMT. the only potential testing problem with ANY of this is the VERY, VERY remote chance that 2C-E or mescaline might trigger a false positive for amphetamines....i STRONGLY doubt that it could happen though, and if it did the test would have to be within a very short time after taking them.

DXM at high doses can be quite an experience, but being a dissociative it is rather hard on the mind if you use it often at all, and being found in common cough medicine, processessing the materials can be really hard on the body (also, other drugs in the preparation can make you sick or dead, so its highly important you use only DXM containing products with NO other active ingredients. i wouldn't recommend using this, though, and it is nothing at all like ecstacy or acid or anything like that. it's categorized as being more similar to the dissociative anesthetics like PCP, ketamine and nitrous oxide.

there are options, probably more now than almost ever before. theres also a relatively new psychedelic called salvia divinorum, if you've not heard about it. not at all "fun" though....extremely brief but EXTREMELY intense...i would strongly caution against DPT or salvia unless you are REALLY FUCKING READY to plunge headfirst into the wierdest universe you can imagine.

btw, about my suggestion to use ephedra, if you're worried about drug testing this may be a bad idea. ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are both used widely as precursors to methamphetamine, and it could potentially trigger a false positive for amphetamine drugs.

 

Thanks so much for all your help, guys.


I had previously been looking at some research materials which I kind of put on the back burner to read about psychadelic plants. With the new direction you've given me it sounds like I may be re-evaluating those options as well as good ole psilocybe. I'm probably still going to try to stay clear of purchasing any outright scheduled chemicals, so we'll see if my quest for a comfortable balance of security and effectiveness will be successful prior to the big rave. Life was so much simpler when I was comfortable picking up a few rolls and geltabs.

I'm off to continue my research and will post in mushrooms or chemicals when I have a reformulated plan!