I was wondering if anyone can make a list of legal psychoactives, how easy they are to obtain, and how well they work/how enjoyable they are.
erowid.org look up the laws for drugs there are ALOT from plants to RC's so you will evently find something
Theres a book posted online called Legal Highs that lists a bunch of them its located here http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/legal_highs/legal_highs.shtml
that book is largely a crock of shit. many of those things will get you high, not all, some are dangerous, some are (and even at the time were) illegal, and its very outdated. it's posted all over the internet, and gives many people a lot of false hope that they can get high of every other plant in the garden. its not worth reading, erowid is generally much more reliable (though not 100% flawless)
MAOI's (may fall into other cats... only posted here): syrian rue, B. Caapi Hallucinogens (in normal doses; tobacco would be an example of one in high doses that is hallucinogenic, but in normal doses, a stimulant; may also include deleriants): salvia, amanita muscaria, acacia, anandetherana (sp.) columbrina (bufotenine major alkoloid, along with dmt), a. peregrina (dmt & 5-meo-dmt), trichoch cacti, datura (also a great way to die), DXM, hawaiian baby woodrose, syrian rue, b. caapi, Morning Glory, wormwood, sage Stimulants: Yohimbe, tobacco, caffeine(coffee!), adderall, ephedra (partially legal), guarana, Nitrous, kratom, caffeine (yerba mate), ginseng Just to be clear, I left out depressants, and all chemicals and pharms, with the exception of adderall, dxm, and nitrous. EDIT: Most are very easy to get. A few of them are somewhat illegal (tobacco, alcohol, nitrous, ephedra).
Again, tobacco is NOT a hallucinogen. I'd like to know where you find this information, as it is quite faulty indeed. Also, everything you've listed is illegal if used for human consumption without proper licensing. DXM isn't a hallucinogen, it's a dissociative...wormwood isn't a hallucinogen, either, it's a GABA antagonist (specifically a diterpenoid), and datura a deleriant. @Twizz: The best way to find the legal high you're after is to figure out exactly what kind of buzz you need. For example, if you want a legal alternative to, say, heroin, you could go to Erowid's heroin vault and check under the "Related Vaults" listing; you'll see several plant sources for the compound in question, most of which are easily obtainable and unlikely to draw you any attention from the Feds.
Taken from erowid These drugs are not usually regarded as psychedelic, although they have a great deal in common historically, ulturally, and pharmacologically with other drugs taken for their mind-altering powers. They are called anticholinergic because they block the action of acetylcholine, a nerve transmitter substance that controlls the contraction of skeletal muscles and also plays an important role in the chemistry of the brain. They are called deleriants because their effects at high doses include incoherent speech, disorientation, delusions, an halucinations, often followed by depression and amnesia for the period of intoxication. The classical anticholinergic delirients are the belladonna alkaloids: Things like LSD and mushrooms are considerds true b/c they work on the seratonin receptors.
right, but psychedelic and hallucinogen are two different words with different meanings. psychedelics are mind manifesting drugs, such as lsd, mushrooms, mdma, mescaline, etc., and more often than not many of them do not cause too very many visuals in "normal" doeses in most of their uses, though this is by far not a hard and fast rule (look at dmt). a hallucinogen is a drug which causes hallucinations, which are faulty perceptions of reality generally believed to be real. the drugs above rarely classify as hallucinogenic in anything but very high doses, with a few exceptions such as DMT. even at visually/perceptually altering doses almost always the user is aware that he is under the influence of a psychedelic and the distortions and visions he is experiencing cannot be fully relied upon to be "real." In other words, they flirt with a loss of reality, but still stay primarily grounded in the real world. with deleriants (drugs than induce a state of delirium, often involving true hallucinations) such as datura you can have very real hallucinations at a normal dose, and it is much more fair to call these hallucinogens than lsd or mushrooms, etc. these words, "psychedelic," "hallucinogen," "deliriant," may at different times be applied to the same substance, but they are all different words with different meanings and describe these drugs by different characteristics. some fit, some dont. just because a drug fits into one of these categories doesnt mean it CANT fall into a different one. mdma is a psychedelic but not a hallucinogen dmt is a psychedelic hallucinogen datura is a hallucinogenic deleriant 5-MeO-DMT is usually simply a psychedelic and so on...
over this summer, baby woodrose became a friend! smoked only on the way up n then a few hits during the next 3 or four hours. i swear to god these seeds (taken in small doses) were created for for playin mentallist gigs hehe fly agaric is worthwhile if u are interested soley on the experience rather than havin a gud time. wot i mean is it is such a fukin random drug (sumtimes u will feel incredible and regenrated) and the next time u will feel like an old man gettin fuckin cold n not really bothered about any survival instincts (however pikin up is oddly sattisfyin!!!)
@nesta: I disagree; the term "hallucinogen" implies a compound with the effect of distorting sensory perception (like LSD, 2-CB, etc.), where as the term "deleriant" implies a compound with effects comprised of hallucinations derived solely from the psyche, using imagery found in the user's memory banks, not from the world surrounding them. While a compound can be both (for example, ibogaine), I've never read a single datura report stating that the user experienced any sort of sensory perception distortion, but only real hallucinations as described above.
Say no to legal highs! Everything pleasurable is forbidden, remember that. MDMA is a dirty trash phen that gives you a fake sense of empathy lol (just fucking around cause of the huge thread that debates psychedelicness of mdma) When I think psychedelic, I think of the four classics: DMT, mescaline, psilocybin, and LSD. When I think of deliriant, I think like atropine scopolamine etc., as well as dimenhydrinate diphenhydramine or however you spell those dirty deliriants. They're all dirty and legal, but you shouldn't get involved with this dirt IMO. When I think hallucinogen, I basically just think psychedelic. I think psychedelic is a better word to describe the experience, while hallucinogen is a better word to describe the substance.
Being delerious is a form of tripping. (But don't try it-it sucks.) And people on datura display the same "symptoms". --------- Some hallucinogens are best described as "illusionary drugs". I would say that, in high doses deleriants cause "hallucinations derived solely from the psyche" and percieved within the framework of the surrounding world.(seeing something that isn't there) illusionaries cause hallucinations derived from surrounding world.(distortions) hallucinogens cause hallucinations that overwrite the surrounding world.(visions)
