ok, i have never used any rc that i know of expt maybe the e pills that i took that later was told didnt test to have mdma was a rc not sure what one though. i am trying to decide where to start. myself i love e, and lsd cause they make your body feel good and things in life seem more viverant and real, yet you have the part that both bring to show you things that are far from real. anyways i want opinions or suggestions. choosing from 2c-i,e,c,d 2ct2 5meo-amt,det,dmt. i like for it to last like lsd. dont care about my being able to function cuse who wants to do that in life anyways. basicaly me and friends looking for fun time hanging out being completely messed up. i tend to have a high tollorance for things in compairison to all my friends. any way just looking for some input. best bang for your buck i guess
2cc, to me, is the most gentle 2c-x. Doc is the best DO* (and some, including me, would argue the best psychadelic). dmt & 5-meo-dmt are both intense, but short as well. 2c-b is one of the more popular rc's. 2ct7 is extremely intense, and long lasting. DOI is too stimulating for me, but so is E. Who knows? You might like it. I suggest 2cc or DOC to start with.
thanks for the info i didnt even know these existed till on erowid one very long night. btw anyone have the website to check and see if a suplier is legit? i saw it once here but dont remeber where.
Flow loves 2c-b, I've gotta try it someday.Most people can't get 2c-b though, shit SWIM's source is like 500 a gram, I am straaiiiighhhtttt when I can get more powerful 2c's for 1/4 the price.
im in the same boat as you evil penguin,except i knew some of these rc's existed back in the very early 90's. a good fried of mine (no longer with us) steered me away from them, cause he told me they were to strong and last too long. i respected his words for he was a long time deadhead and could get his hands on the most obscure and desired materials-i did get to see 8 dead shows before jerry died, that does show my age and i know alot of peeps could care less about gratefuldead-im 11 years older than you. i see that alot of the postings in here are from people 10-15-20! years younger than me-wow!hence "too old"-whatever rc he took it just lasted too long so i lost interest in rc for somereason untill lately-i have done alot of reading and thought into which to try- i think 2ce and 2ci is where ill start.they appear to be easier to get and are not yet schedualed as far as i know.they dont appear to last to long.the tryptamines 5meodmt is to intense and 5meoamt to long-ive tried nndmt a few times(i dont know if nndmt is considered a rc) and am always apprehensive beforehand and soulshooken after-very heavy-i understand 5meodmt is more intense than nndmt so i dont feel i need to go there.i guess 5meoamt is administered via different route and probably why it lasts so long-probably not as intense though-just speculating.have not considered any of the DO* as of yet. So far good e, preferably molly has been my favorite to date. can anyone tell me if i will be let down w 2ce or 2ci compared to a good e roll?
welcome too old! i am young but have much respect for deadheads and older trippers. rc's will blown e out of the water. i love e but rc's just are better for me.
too old, in regards to your post about rcs in the early nineties....judging by what you said (lasts a long time, is pretty potent) he may have been speaking of AMT, or even possibly 5-MeO-AMT....AMT has been around for many decades, yet was never scheduled until a few years ago. one of the "classic" research chemicals...it has gone by various names, and you may remember it from the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, as the drug IT-290....its like speed and acid together, and has a reputation for bringing on trips up to 24 hours long in some cases. there are any number of rc's now that are pretty good though. i've heard some good things about a few remarkably similar to psilocybin, and there's always 5-MeO-DMT and my personal favorite at the moment, DPT (also a classic, has been around for many decades) as for the original poster, i almost take offense to the claim that these things "show you things that are far from real," but i guess it really depends on how your mind works. what is real is what you perceive, because that's all you can know. i guess my philosophy is a rather bizarre blend of rationalism and empiricism strongly influenced by some powerful psychedelic and meditative tools... but at any rate, if you don't like the effects that they have on you, you have NO BUSINESS using psychedelics at all and ought to stick to burning yourself out on ecstacy and bad electronic music. buying rcs gives you access to some very real, very powerful psychedelic drugs in a nearly pure form. the dosage guides you see online are made for people who want to REALLY trip - not for people who think eating half an eighth of mushrooms or a single roll counts as tripping. for example, i got some 2C-E....the dosage range is rather small for it...at 7.5mg it felt like a speed type drug with little to no psychedelic influence...at 20mg i threw up and felt as if i had been split and gutted like a fish when it happened, felt my insides vacating me through my mouth....highly unpleasant....but when it was over, i had one of the more intense trips of my life, comparable to eating maybe 10 or so hits of the low quality acid generally found in my neck of the woods. a relatively seasoned friend all but freaked out at a mere 15mg. in my experience DPT brought on visions and ego death comparable, according to nearly everything i've read on the matter, to the effects of DMT, generally regarded as the supreme psychedelic capable of sending even the most hardheaded tripper into the farthest, wierdest realms of inner space conceivable.... 2C-B is, to me, a happy, fun halfway point between mushrooms or acid and ecstacy...has aspects of both mdma and the traditional psychedelics, but not like taking them together. its very benign and quite a bit less intensely overwhelming compared to LSD, and while it gives you a great body buzz and terriffic mood boost, it is nowhere near as forceful and in-your-face about it as MDMA. if you do any psychedelics, 2C-B is probably for you, but its generally hard to find (it's scheduled, so ordering it from overseas may well be a really bad idea) but really, your post makes it sound like you just want to party and get fucked up, in which case psychedelics are NOT for you. if you still choose to indulge, i really think you should limit yourself to tiny doses of mushrooms (half eighths), maybe some 2C-B, and maybe ecstacy.
ime..... i've done 2C-B. a good bit of 2C-B, but not a "lot" it was black market, though, not RC....so i dont actually KNOW the dosage, but i was TOLD the capsules were all 20mg, and based on similar powders i HAVE known the dosage of, it would appear that the amount of powder in there DID look like 20mg, though of course eyeballing is far, far, far from accurate..... however, assuming that the 2C-B i ingested WAS 20mg, i'd say that 2C-E (which i've taken at the 20mg level) is FAR stronger than 2C-B.... that said i'd still choose 2C-B over almost any other "research chemical" save one or two if i had a selection to choose from and they were all free....course i'd want probably 30mg
thanks Nesta, but im not in the same boat as evil penguin about the partying and getting fucked up thing-i cant tell if you were directing that last paragraph towards me or evil peguin. hey,i have no problem with partying but when it comes to psychedelics and rc's i have great respect and take it very seriously.psychedelics and rc's are not party favors for me, rather tools. so are 2ci and 2ce speedy? hope not to bad. im experienced with mdma dmt mescaline lsd ketamine shrooms salvia combinations-i do not intend on mixing any rc's -i would like to research an unschedualed rc in the 2c-"x" group-got any suggestions-you seem intelligent-damn you youngsters,your all so smart -each succeeding generation surpasses the previous-
go to erowid.org for research on chemicals. Each rc has something unique and beautiful to them. just like basic psycedelics, lsd/shrooms/mescaline. they are similar yet all have unique qualities. youll have to see what you like for yourself. 2ce or 2ci wont be as speedy as mdma. more like lsd. stimulating not really speedy.
yeah, that was directed more towards the penguin dude anyway, i've not used 2C-I personally, but i hear it's really speedy. 2C-B is pretty stimulating, but i wouldnt call it "speedy" per se....more like ecstacy than speed, but still with a much stronger psychedelic flavor than MDMA. 2C-E, i found, to be much like taking an adderall (run of the mill pharmaceutical amphetamines) with some LSD....but as you increase the dosage, in my experience, you do not increase the speediness much, just the psychedelic qualities. for example, to me 7.5mg felt like an adderall with a half to a full hit of some lame ordinary acid (the only kind i have experience with is weak unmarked blotter), whereas 20mg felt like still only a single adderall but with maybe 10 hits of acid. it was definitely one of the more intense trips i've had. something i noticed on 2C-E that was not true with 2C-B or LSD or mushrooms was that you got REALLY nauseaus at first, threw up, maybe a few times, then settle into the trip....but with a persistant dull stomach ache until you come down. unlike other psychs, i never noticed the stomach pain going away. though i've heard from others on here that at 25mg and beyond the stomach problems are, for some strange reason, absent. i have not tried such a high dosage myself. thanks for the compliment, but i disagree about each generation surpassing the last. as far as available resources and available information and knowledge, yes, you're right....but as for the spirit of the movement, the intentions and motivations of the users....well, my generation is pretty dismal. i know VERY few people that give psychedelics the respect they deserve. my peers generally tend to treat psychedelics as mental toys rather than tools for inspiration, guidance, learning, exploration, whatever. these things are serious psychological and spiritual tools which can be put to good use or put to seriously dangerous use....they can't be taken lightly, yet that's almost always how it's done. its surely not a sin to trip for the pleasure of it, but to have that as your sole intent is, to me, disgusting. the psychedelic movement is very spread out, and i feel that if it doesnt make a strong comeback rather soon, it may eventually die out, leaving purely recreational use in it's place....its kind of a scary thought.....
though i'd say depending on how your salvia and DMT experiences went, you may be more interested in giving DPT a go. it's at the top of my list of things i've tried as far as spiritual potential go. i feel it surpasses LSD even. i've never taken DMT, but DPT is supposed to be remarkably similar. if you're going for something in the 2C- series, i'd suggest 2C-B if you can get your hands on it. other than that i've only used 2C-E, but it's definitely good...just more body load than i care for.
2C-B is good for the start. 2C-I is very much alike, but a little "speedier" (that´s the reason why it so often can be found in XTC-pills today). Visual and auditory enhancement is weaker than on 2C-B. 2C-E is a strong enhancer of coulors but can´t really be compared with 2C-B. 2C-C and -D are also good for beginners, not too intense and not very long lasting (but imho a little disappointed). The 2C-T-x group is (imho) not for beginners, you should have some experience before advancing to this stage. Same goes for 2C-P and -N.
>basicaly me and friends looking for fun time hanging out being completely messed up. Well, here's a candidate for a righteous psychedelic ass-whupping! I was a little surprised at the hostility members have evinced toward the original poster... but then I reread the OP and now I understand. I don't want to preach to anyone that there's any single approach to psychedelics that's "correct" to take — I mean, surely recreational use is as valid as entheogenic use... but I never understood why people who exist completely on the basic level (people who worry about "bang for buck") ever even want to take psychedelics (apart from the Laser! Light! Show! you can get, I guess) — the potential exists to have your entire belief system torn apart in front of your eyes over the course of 12 hours or so.... From what I've heard (waiting to find a supplier), doesn't 2CE have the potential to take you pretty deep? (i.e. calling it a "strong enhancer of colors" is like talking about how Tiger Woods is a pretty decent tennis player)
^u know, a psychedelics ass whooping is exactly what is needed sometimes for an individual to gain respect for that state of mind. Thats is why i often encourage people to take mushrooms or lsd as a first psychedelic. those will definetly teach u some respect and still have the ability to make u value the psychedelic mind state rather than scaring u off. (although i think 2c-e is capable of doing the same.)
There is a site called undrug.org which has reviews of vendors. You have to know the website you want to check, so I don't think I'm breaking a rule by posting that. I would recommend 2c-i for a first RC.
