American History X

This is a great movie one of my favorites, though I could have done without the rape scene.

 

I looove american history x. Awesome movie.

 

how can u NOT like any movie with curb stomping?

 

..yes, that's definitely what made the movie.

 

shit, i couldnt stand to watch that curb stomping scene. it made me cringe.

 

Yes, the curb stomp was definitely the best part.

 

The movie that proved Edward Norton is a great actor. The violence bothered me, not because it was particularly graphic or because it was excessive, but the kind of violence got to me. I think when the rape scene is the least bothersome of all the violence in a movie, you probably went too far.

That being said, it's a very powerful movie with some of the best acting I've seen in a drama.

 

I think it is a great great movie, very strong and moving, great acting

and, I think the rape scene helped alot, made you feel for the character alot more

 

I think they were cowards for changing the original ending to the movie.

 

original ending?

 

Apparently the original ending was supposed to have Norton's character go immediately into a bathroom and shave his head, the look on his face giving the impression that the death of his brother by a black kid has forever destroyed any chance of him NOT going back to racism.

 

It's not like they filmed it and then edited it out of the movie. It was in one draft of the script, and then they decided to change it when they rewrote the script. They do that all the time in movies.

 

I still think they were cowards for doing that.

That should have stayed in.

 

I don't think it would've made that big of a difference in my opinion of the movie, but whatever.

 

No, I think it would have made some people uncomfortable.

The scene that was the most uncomfortable for me and many of my friends was the bit in which they won the basketball game against the black guys, who then had to leave that area because they bet that whoever lost would lose that turf to the other group.

Uncomfortable because if you weren't careful you would be cheering for their victory, and identifying with them having vanquished. Unfortunately, the people who were the "protagonists" in the film were utter vermin - vide infra the big guy singing about stomping the animals at the zoo, (referring to minorities) etc.

Having him appear human at the end, having lost the last thing precious to him and as a result reverting to racism not out of hatred or poor breeding or whatever (which we would NOT identify with) but out of loss, rage and self-protection (which we WOULD) would make a LOT of people look deep inside themselves.

I've seen a LOT of people who were white, upper middle class liberals until they ended up living thanks to the housing bubble near or in a ghetto. Once someone close to you or you in the neighbourhood is raped or burgled, it's REAL easy to start cocking the hammer every time you see a black guy look twice at your house as he walks past.

Thankfully, I have never fallen into that trap, but I have seen it happen time and time again.

What is it they say, a liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet?

 

very well put.

 

The most disturbing things in film are not the gross-outs or the Divine-eating-dog-crap moments.

They're the moments like in Falling Down when you watch D-FENS smash up a Korean convenience store and there's parts of you that cheer for the guy.

And don't say you don't. The film has him as the hero until the very end, when it becomes clear he's an abusive stalker, not simply a guy frozen out of his daughter's life by a vengeful ex-wife.

"When did I become the bad guy?" ---- that's a sobering question for America to try and answer.

 

amazing movie. its one of those movies where at the end u just feel kind of numb because of all the emotions you went through during the movie. its one of those movies where u just go "wow" at the end. and u just sit on ur couch for awhile n think. or at least thats what it did to me. it was a great movie. def one of my favorites.

 

not neccessarily
they might have just been sitting there... "wait... wouldn't ths make a great ending?" I do that alot when writing...

plus, him reverting back to racism would just be dumb, doesn't seen to realistic, after you have a huge revalation like that, you usually aren't too easy to change a second time
he would most likely blame himself for getting his brother into it (as the ending they went with implies)

 

I hate people that deny their hatred