"...all of these flag draped results of his greed."

Discussion in 'Politics' started by DoggoD, Oct 12, 2005.

  1. DoggoD

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    This is a letter from a female Soldier that is a MUST READ if you havent already. This is real, and it is happening!

    http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/willtheyevertrustusagain/index.php?id=23

    "...all of these flag draped results of his greed."

    From: [Omitted]
    Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:08 AM
    To: Michael Moore
    Subject: [None]

    Dear Mr. Moore,

    My husband and I watched your movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" about a month ago (I know, a little late). After we saw that movie, you could have heard a pen drop in our house, we were speechless. I am now a little more than half way through your book "Will They Ever Trust Us Again?". These letters from our military make me furious. I cannot believe our government is actually reactivating retirees and previously separated soldiers.

    I enlisted in the US Army when i was 18 years old, for common reasons: college money and lack of other options. I signed a 4 year contract for active duty. I got married about 7 months after I enlisted, and soon after, became pregnant. When a female soldier gets pregnant, they are presented with the option of being released from active duty or staying active. I chose to stay active at that time.

    When i was about 7 weeks along, we had what they call a "Division Run". My Chain of command, KNOWING I was pregnant, threatened me with an article 15 if I didn't run. Still the "committed soldier" I was, I ran, out of fear of punishment. Soon after, I miscarried, which immediately made me regret the option i had chosen, of staying in. It was then that I realized that no one was going to take care of me, but me.

    We then decided to try again, this time with a different answer to the question presented to me before, "Would you like to stay in or get out?" I got pregnant again and made it known that I wanted out. After 9/11 happened, my orders for release from active duty were put on hold, as ordered by our lovely president: all orders were to be delayed. I eventually received my orders, I was put on "annual reserve status," we went home, and in Feb., had our beautiful little girl. Later that year, my husband Enlisted in the US air force. Upon completing his training, we were moved here (over seas) for our 1st tour.

    This war really hits home for my husband and I. We recently learned that the army is contacting both our families, trying to find me, so they can reactivate me and deploy me. I don't understand why they would deploy me, risk my ass, risk the chance of my daughters growing up without a mother in their lives, when my husband is active duty, and will also be going to Iraq. If this war was halfway valid, and if my husband was not also going to Iraq, I would not have a problem going and fighting for my country. I do not want to go there and lose my life for no reason. I do not want my kids growing up and learning about this war in their history classes, and learning that mommy and/or daddy, were sent to this war, which was a lie, and died not for the country, but for George Bush...mommy and/or daddy did not fight to defend America, they fought and died defending one individual's greed and ego. This is not something I want to happen.

    I believe that our country is going to hell in a hand basket as we speak. I believe that the only REAL war going on is on American soil. How dare they refuse a mother the right to raise her own children? I decided to get out because I wanted to raise my family, and now that right might be taken from me. While they're at it, why don't they just make me walk around with my face covered, like they do in the middle east? Same thing...taking rights. The funny thing is that I actually voted for Bush in 2000. He promised new equipment to the military, which is how he got a lot of our votes in that election...well, NOW we know why the military needed updated equipment don't we? I think he had this war planned before he was ever even elected in 2000, I think he was just waiting for an excuse (whether it was truthful, or just plain bullshit) to attack Iraq.

    When the army finally catches up with me, I can tell you this much: i will not accept orders for Iraq. More than likely, that would land my ass in prison for 6 months, or pregnant again but at least "mommy" will still be alive, I'll still get to write and receive letters, and I will eventually return home alive.

    It really eats away at me that Bush will not let all of these flag draped caskets be televised. My husband sees them everyday. By making that decision, Bush is showing a huge lack of respect for all of these fallen soldiers. All of these soldiers who have lost their lives without ever even knowing why they were there to begin with. They went because HE ordered them to go, because he is their boss, because they had respect for him, and he can't even muster up enough respect in return to show all of these flag draped results of his greed. When he made that decision to no longer allow these honorable men and women be televised coming home, he may as well have just said, "who cares? I don't give a shit! Who wants to see that depressing shit? I don't give a shit about all of those people who are going home in a box, so why should the American people give a shit?"

    The last time we were home visiting, I was watching TV, seeing all of these commercials, showing all of these happy-go-lucky men and women in uniform, talking about how great it is to be a soldier. I'll bet if they were to incorporate a "human remains ceremony" (that's what their homecoming is called, believe it or not) into all of these commercials for all the KIDS in high school to see, Bush's numbers would drastically descend.

    In closing, I want to thank you for all you have done and are doing for our soldiers and our country. Our soldiers need you. They have no one else who has the guts to stand up for them. After I finish this book, I'm going to get back on your website and order everything else I haven't read or watched. I enjoy your work and I so look forward to seeing more of it. Can I make a suggestion? I would LOVE to see a documentary or read a book, about something that is often over looked. Children who have lost parents, and will now grow up without a mother and/or a father. I want the public to see what this bullshit war is doing to, and how it is affecting our youth, our babies. I don't think many people think of that aspect of this war. If you share this letter with anyone, please do not reveal my email address or name.
     
  2. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

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    For the masters of deceit, please refer to the Executive Branch. Thank you!
     
  3. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    I liked 'roger and me'.
     
  4. IronGoth

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    RE: risk the chance of my daughters growing up without a mother in their lives

    Versus growing up without a father.... what makes you special as a woman?

    You wanted to enlist. You enlisted. You made your bed, now lie in it.
     
  5. shaggie

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    I do think the trend of politics showing up at the theatres is interesting. People like Moore are essentially shut out of the corporate news media. Now the movie theatres are starting to become a venue for political news and opinions, especially for the more liberal and grass-roots groups who have become frustrated at being shut out of the mainstream corporate cable news networks.

    It's rather ironic how Americans now watch their news networks to get entertainment and go the the entertainment theatres to get their news. It reminds me of Gallagher saying he went to the gas station for a quart of oil and they told him 'go to a supermarket where you belong.' :)

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  6. Sera Michele

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    I grew up in Flint but didn't watch "Roger and Me" until I moved to Austin. Not like I didn't know all about what was going on anyways...my parent's were laid off in the 80's by GM too. Didn't need to watch it - we lived it.

    And not Delphi has gone bankrupt...there is going to be nothing left there. It's a shame.

    But Roger and Me gave me some trust in Michael Moore. I would have known if he badly misrepresented things about Flint.
     
  7. FreakerSoup

    FreakerSoup Stranger

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    Political gain? I don't think he'll be running for pres. anytime soon. Monetary gain, maybe, though I doubt that's what motivates him. Probably more of a social gain. He's trying to shift society, and maybe he curves some of his info a little. I have yet to see any of this, but the point is that he's nothing compared to the federal government.
     
  8. shaggie

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    What about the Bush administration using 911 itself to further its agenda? They're the crown jewel when it comes to that tactic.

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  9. cutelildeadbear

    cutelildeadbear Hip Forums Gym Rat

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    I must agree with Iron here. Not only that but why are you getting pregnant and planning a family when you already made a commitment to be in the military, knowing that you cannot do both at the same time? This just gives people the opportunity to suggest that women should not be allowed in the military because things such as this could happen. Pardon the pun, but why give them more ammunition?

    I was against this war from the beginning and still am, however this woman's story doesn't help anything. Sure it may be sad, but she is the one who put herself in that situation, no one forced her. And yes we all know why this "war" was started and what is up Michael's sleeve. Who cares.
     
  10. matthew

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    Oh come on.. these kind of political films have been with us for years and years..heck maybe since films began... from Medium cool too a few of warren beatys efforts..
    What has changed is the way film is know manipulated by the director to distort the truth from cutting and pasting at will through to just ignoring certain realities.. lets not kid ourselves into thinking this heralds a new era.

    What would be nice is the other side of the coin, you don't often see that in the cinema .. now that would be something;)
     
  11. matthew

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    That women does tick all the boxes ...and says all the right things .. everything that MM likes hearing... Having flag draped coffins in the news, would just make the congratulaions of a 'job well done' and a nice sement in the latest OBL video to the west .... It is counter productive
     
  12. shaggie

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    Yes, I'd like to see more of other groups that I don't see in the U.S. news, especially grass-roots groups closer the the middle class. All I ever see on the major TV news networks are spokesmen from Time, AOL, Newsweek, as well as their other corporate cronies, and bunch of retired generals from the Pentagon with their little boards and pointers telling us how we're going to win Iraq.

    I'm not crazy about Moore. I know he's giving a biased side, but so is Fox and the rest. I do think we'll see more political messages in the theatre as the years go on. People who have been locked out of the mainstream news media are desperate for another video venue to convey other sides of the story.

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  13. matthew

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    You just repeated what you said earlier [sorry]...and i was talking about the alternative view point I [and others] hold... rather than the given notion BUsh did it .. or let it happen.. or that OBL and Al-Ziquari are NOT puppets of the Bush admin...ohhh and that the world [and the situation at hand]does not completely rotate around America ;) .
     
  14. *Ewan*

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    MM, sure his things are slanted, but so's the news you watch everyday. He's a lot more balanced than fox is. Now as for all this 'un-ameircan' biull shit, my opinions are certianlly 'unamerican' if being a free and fair reporter and telling it like it is are unamerican then so be it.
     
  15. matthew

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    Bollocks [pardon my french] MM is not balanced [or fair].

    We don't really get 'cable news'.. the news in this country is probably bised.. but thats judging it against what i think about certain things.. i imagine the same is true about Fox News and yourself.. ?.
     
  16. shaggie

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    I don't care so much if sources are biased. Most people know when they are. It bothers me when there is lack of competition or alternative views in the media. The U.S. media, video media in particular, is owned largely by a small handful of large conglomerates now- TIME-Warner, Viacom, and Fox. They own many TV stations and publishing companies. In general its not good when too few people are controlling most of the media.

    I think digital satellite TV offers another venue for alternative views and it hasn't been fully tapped. The compression that is used in digital reduces the cost greatly which allows small grass roots groups to get their message out. I think it will be used much more in the future. Up to this point in the U.S. it's been used mainly by 'religious' groups begging for money.

    A few political oriented people like Chuck Harder have taken advantage of it to some extent. Free Speech TV by Democracy Now is another example.

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  17. matthew

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    Are you sure about that ?.. One mans bias is another mans truth.
    I have to question if 'grass root' TV would be any better..but your right..alternatives are always a good thing.. At least you have more than 5 channels [admitadly being increased through free view- though all sourced from either ITN or BBC]..
     
  18. shaggie

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    Well, most perceptive people.

    There's definately a lack of grass roots groups on the cable news channels in the U.S. Like I said earlier, I'm tired of seeing spokesmen from Time, Newsweek, etc. on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. The only other time I might see grass roots groups is when O'Reilly on Fox has them on as a 'guest'. They always make sure to pick people with polite, soft-spoken, defenseless personalities so that they can domineer them and make asses out of them. :)

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  19. shaggie

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    I wouldn't class F911 as a documentary. Political commentary might be a better name for it.

    I don't think people would have been as annoyed by Moore if there had been more people like him and if the general public hadn't been so spoon-fed a particular way of looking at things for so many years through the eyes of the corporate media, particularly the years after the 911 attack. There was an initial sort of shock reaction to Moore since his type of view hadn't been seen by the eyes of the American public for a long time, probably going back to the 60s and the Vietnam era.

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  20. shaggie

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    Moreover, I think there still would have been that annoyment or shock even if Moore or someone else had done a film as tactful as possible. In part, it was the departure from the usual lines the public was hearing from the White House and the corporate media that got people's feathers ruffled.

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