i read in the paper that hunting is aloud under strict rules, they are aloud to kill rabbits, rats, and smaller rodents and if its a mistake e.g the dogs follow the scent by mistake!!! and if they get the scent of a dead fox they are aloud to kill it!! (doesnt make sense) they arent aloud to kill deer, foxes, a few birds etc. i knew fox hunting was out of bounds but doesnt not seem to people that they will carry on finding other animals to kill. theres a hunt going on near me on 5th nov and im tempted to get a few people and go along - not for the hunt, im against big time. anyone know any other one's?
There seems to be a lot of vagueness about your post but I was on the understanding that most "hunts" with hounds these days are merely drag hunts, or the driving of a fox to an area where it can be killed with guns. I'm pretty sure they are not hunting the other small creatures you mentioned with a full hunting group - I think you've just got your wires crossed with what creatures you can legally hunt by other means (typically airgun I presume).
Merely drag hunts huh.... the worst part of a hunt for the terrified animal is the chase...not that shooting the poor thing makes its day either.... Wiggy... if there is any sort of hunt near you go for it... here on the private estate where i live we still have fox hunts... who can gain access to stop it?... they also have pheasant shoots.... thats so sick...and they kill deer and rabbits ubder the guise of a necessary 'cull'....
A drag hunt does not follow a live quarry! Rabbits - you are wasting your time unless you go straight to government. Most people don't realise that all of England and Wales has been declared a rabbit clearance area since 1954. If you occupy land (e.g. land owner, home owner or rent!) you are responsible for destroying the rabbits or taking steps against them! http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/vertebrates/rabbit.htm Pheasant shoots - it's not so much the shooting that is the problem but the breeding of the animals in the first place. Only half end up getting shot apparantly, the others die through stupidity, road kill or being hunted by predators - apparantly they would become quickly extinct in this country! Deer - I don't see why their numbers cannot be controlled by tagging them and controlling the stags and thus reproduction. In contrast, shooting them seems to be a little pointless. Personally in my view we wouldn't have to control animal numbers if the human population hadn't totally devestated the countryside. I really don't know why there is not an active campaign against building developments and the erosion of the natural land, or at least what's left of it (agricultural land I do not consider to be the country). The whole thing with foxes and rabbits shows that humans cannot live directly alongside the natural world as our governments would have us believe, at least not without controlling their numbers. It's frustrating that animal rights campaigners let emotion do the talking and don't goto the root of the problem. If everybody got together and made it hell (and expensive) to develop "green" land 40 years ago then a lot of suffering of our countries wild animals may have been averted. I think I've wondered off topic here, but I wonder how the populations of various animals has changed during this period? It stands to reason that millions have died as a result of destruction of habitats right on our doorstep, and it's happening at a faster rate now than ever IMO. Aside from vivisection issues, that's where the real campaign lies - animal rights activists ought to join environmentalist campaigners rather than wasting their resource getting into fights with toffs.
look it up then, but the info was from a year or so ago - they dont update things much anymore, i will try and find the link for you though. And i dont think that i have wasted my time getting into fight's. if you go and watch a hunt and see what the protesters do you will be surprised.
It surprises me you can't tell me all this yourself, claming to be an anti-hunt campaigner I would have expected you to have all the facts! Anyway, maybe this will help: http://www.defra.gov.uk/news/2005/050217a.htm *SO* - just rabbits and ratting then. Maybe some people have found a loophole??? Personally I don't see a problem with the destruction of rats - at least in towns - where in my view it's man that's provided them with the environment to become pests anyway. I can't see toff's chasing around in a field after a single 3" rat, which just leaves rabbits. And again - the fact that the government has had a policy since the 50's that everybody has the responsibility to destroy rabbits on their land - indicates that going after the huntsmen themselves now is a waste of time.
Trail hunting (following a man-laid scent) Exercising hounds Rabbit and rat hunting Using no more than two dogs to flush out a fox from cover to be shot http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4286224.stm how can they hunt in a town? they kill rats on towns other ways. have a look at the website - i cant remember the other ones but i will find them for you to have a lookey through. And i can tell you all this myself thank you but i didnt want to write 3 pages of things when i can give you a link. Im not claiming to be a anti-hunt campainer im a animal rights campainer. i do know alot of the fact but its not easy remember everything.
My point about the towns - and I'm sure you'll agree with this - was that it shows that hunting in the country to control numbers is slightly dubious, since that isn't where the main problem is. This all comes back really to over development being the real problem. I'm not against your protests in isolation, but now that hound hunting has largely been destroyed would it not make better sense to find a whole new target where your time and effort could be better spent?
who me? I dont go on the hunt i go to protest about the hunt. Its been called off now i think so thats ok - of course they are going to find somewhere else though bastards
the hunting of any animal is abhorrant (sp) to me.... living on a private country estate where 'agribusiness' is big business has taught me a lot... and cymru jules... yes pheasants can be stupid as you put it... road kill being one example... but extinction?..no... here the few survivors of the shooting season live happily on the land and can cause devastation to hedgerows.... excuse me if i find that slightly ironic that any landowner who breeds for the shoot has the audacity to complain about this.... as far as the pheasant shoot goes..these are tame birds...and need beaters to send them into the air...easy pickings even for the pathetic businessmen that have never used a gun in their lives... so many pheasants get shot here that pits are dug to bury them... the mindless scum that kill them only want the token brace to take home as a trophy... these pheasants are beautiful birds that co-exist happily with us country folk for the few months they are not play kill..... and over 50% are not shot?.... yeah ok...
Extinction? Well, I thought the same as you until somebody corrected me on the fact that in the 17th century the pheasants became extinct and had to be reintroduced several times, which is also why there are so many different types in this country. I read on an anti website that around 1/3rd of all kills end up in the cooking pot, which was a lot more than I would have thought. I was under the impression the ones eaten, and perhaps supplied to supermarkets are factory farmed and the ones hunted were all desposed of, but apparantly not so! I'm always wary of eating stuff that may have had lead shot in it at some point.
i dont see the point in shooting pheasants, digging a pit then burrying them all. you might aswell eat them, shoot what you need when they're in the high season.
some of the pheasants shot here end up in the estate farm shop but not all as on a successful shoot hundreds can be shot.... and there isnt a pheasant sold that isnt full of lead shot...
If you think that there are maybe 25+ blood hungry business men shooting for maybe 3 to 4 hours that gives an indication of the numbers killed... and the shooting is constant...i cant bear the noise as its right behind my cottage...pehaps the nearest shooter is just 10ft from my fence...
I was thinking of starting a similar Hunt but for people who live in the Ghetto. driven them away from the Hood with 4X4 "not horses" drive them to a open field and shoot them all" The highest kill wins a price. a Brand new Land Rover.Land Rover LR3
