Protect your freedom aganist Communism

Too many to count, you have countless wars in the name of markets like the great war (WWI) and currently Iraq. You also have mass starvation due to profiterring off food and outbreaks of diseases due to profiteering off medical supplies.

It is Capitalism that promotes lazyness, the rich are the most lazy as they never work their entire lives and we bust our ass so they don't have to.

 

I live in a very affluent town. My family is very much on the lower rungs of the economic ladder in comparison. However, all of the very wealthy people I've met have built their own wealth up from nothing. They are not lazy in the slightest; all work ridiculous amounts. They became millionaires through incredible amounts of dedication and work plus excellent money management. Perhaps their children are somewhat spoiled and "lazy," but still they all work through high levels of education in order to follow in their parents footsteps.

Poor people in our town are the ones that waste their money on TVs, satellite, fast food, flashy cars, rent etc. Screw them. I don't want to hear the slightest complaint about being poor if they can't be frugal with their money and work towards buying a house.

Some people do have it easier by growing up into money, but it's pathetic if the rest of us just piss and moan about the "unfairness" of it all instead of building up our own wealth. Don't worry about what anyone else is doing. Focus on your own life.

 

Yes but how much real work has they done in comparision to their wealth?

Workers makes the TVs, flashy cars,ect, I don't see Bush working in a factory or breaking his back in a mine infact president Bush has not created any wealth so what right does Bush have to owning one dollar? If captialism worked the richest should really be homeless as currently the richest are the laziest.

 

This are the dumb canadians who must go to the U.S to get any decent heatlh care becouse the socialist system they have dont work. and then he bitches about capitalistic and the rich.

 

Canada is not socalist, when has Canada followed Marx or Bakunin?

 

What about the Americans who bitch about Canada and then have to go there to get affordable prescription drugs.

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What is "real work?" Putting together pieces in a factory? I would say real estate development, store ownership, law, medicine, and IT are all very "real" careers.

What does that have to do with poor people wasting all their money on things they can't afford instead of investing and buying a home?

The working class that makes the cars and TVs are all members of unions. If you think $40,000 or so a year plus good benefits to do basic unskilled manual labor is unfair, you're crazy. I'm going through 6+ years of post secondary schooling in order to become a college instructor. I'll be starting at less than $40,000.

Skilled laborers such as welders and machinists do incredibly well. My good friend busted ass through tech school and graduated by 19. By 20 he had his machining job at Anheuser Busch with a 75K+ salary. I worked for my neighbor who is a contracted welder/pipe fitter and I am confident that his income is very high as well.

Everyone seems to be able to make it in America as long as they work hard and invest their money wisely. Maybe you should do the same instead of complaining about anyone that makes more money than you.

 

Ownership is just commanding wealth, real work means your are helping in the production of wealth, thus owning a store is not real work as owning the store does not produce any wealth or make the job of producing wealth easier.

That the Walton's and the rest of the rich are more lazy as they demand more just because of their status. The rich are worthless as they demand everything yet refuse to do any real work in return.

Yet they get a smaller piece of the pie then the owners that contrabute nothing to the production of wealth.

What a fucking lie, do you think people in Africa are poor because they don't try hard enough or are stupid? No they are poor because of the rich won't let them access to the means of survival.

 

They spend years doing all the grunt work to build a company. By the time multiple employees are working, the company would grind to a halt without management. You're foolish if you think that there's no "real" work outside of manual labor. Everyone is an important link in the chain.

They demand more because they have more money, not because of status.

If they want a larger piece of the pie they should invest and form businesses.

Note that I said America, not Africa. In the United States everyone has a chance to succeed. Yes, those born into serious wealth have a major advantage, but there's no reason that anyone else can't achieve the same things or more.

What is your suggestion? Would you like to see the upper class stripped of their assets and have it redistributed amongst the poor?

It sounds to me like your reasons for communism are not for the good of the whole, but for your own personal gain. You feel entitled to a bigger piece of the pie.

 

Look up the word co-op, it is not only possible but worker run production has been done. Managment needs works but workers don't need management as democracy easily fills the role of running things.

Money just enforces status so it is the same thing.

So they can be leaches? fuck that, equality NOW!

But everyone can't, it is a pyramid system with the few rich held up by the masses. Capitalism is nothing but explotation and those that are temped by promotion are no better then the slaves that turned on their comrads for a little bit more of the pie.

I'm talking about equality, I'm talking about putting a stop to the looting of the wealth of the workers. If workers want to help those down on their luck I am all for it but no more stealing of their labour.

You defend capitalism for said reason, equality scares you as your slim chance of being a lazy rich bastard would be gone.

 

example?

there's nothing wrong with wanting to be more than the person that puts two pieces of a TV together every day out of the week. Fuck that, I'd rather run the company. Repetitive manual labor sucks.

how are they stealing labor? the laborers are being more than adequetly paid.

It's no slim chance. When I cash out my Roth account at 60, I'll bet set. I'd much rather work my life away under a capitalist system so I can spend my retirement driving a porsche and sailing rather than be equally as poor as those without the drive to invest.

 

In Argentina workers quickly was able to run some abandoned factories and many have done a better job then their old owners and that is with having to deal with police tring to kick them out. So owners couldn't keep them open even with heavy goverment handouts, workers were able to make ends meet while lowering prices, increasing working conditions, increasing work force, fund handout programs all while the goverment is tring to shut them down.

Argentina showed democracy is always better then authoritarianism.

Because they don't need someone to run the company as they can do a better job running it themselfs.

Odds are inflation would devalue your investment, also if the economy crashes you would be left with nothing.

 

That's actually quite interesting. It doesn't prove that this "always" is the case. It's one incident.

However, I do agree that democracy is superior to authoritarianism, hence my feelings on communism. I realize that the ideals of communism imply democracy, but as history has shown us, dictatorship is generally the reality. In the US our personal freedoms are already restricted far too much. There is no way I would voluntarily live under a system that wouldn't allow me to leave the country or speak out against the government or leaders without fear of "dissapearing."

That may be the case in certain situations. I can think of many other situations where the company would completely stop functioning without a system of management.

Inflation is roughly 2.5% annually. My Roth sees gains of at least 6%. Just a few years ago the most money I could put into the account in a year was $2000. It's already been moved up to $4000. Inflation is an obstacle, but it will not prevent me from earning money on a very safe investment.

The market could crash, but a diverse portfolio will help minimize damage. As long as I still own real estate I'll never be completely set back to scratch.

Fear of a crash or run away inflation is a bad reason not to invest. Yes, I could end up barely breaking even or even losing money, but I also have a very reasonable probability of being successful. If I invest nothing, I will DEFINITELY have nothing when i retire. I'll go with the odds and trust my retirement to my own investments, not to a failing social security system.

 

I have already mentioned the difference from Bakunin (Anarchism)and Marx (Communism). Marx theory was using state power to impose a worker state, while Bakunin saw the state as part of the problem thus the people would have to create their own democratic system and burn the old system to the ground. When looking at the history of Bakuninism (Anarchism) you don't look at China, USSR or even Cuba, you instead look at Argetnina, Paris 1968 and the CNT during the Spanish civilwar. The core of the hippie movement was based on the ideas of Bakunin even though most hippies probably never knew it.

Tell that to what was the middle class of Argetnina, the rich pull out their money thus the banks defaulted on the middle class invenstements. During the great depression the very rich hardly felt the crash as they pulled out their money and made the middle class take the brunt of the crash to protect their wealth.

The point is the rich will stab you in the back to maintain their status so why help the system that gives them power?

 

what do you think about the political system they're trying to set up in venezeula psy fox? seems to me an interesting mixture of market capitalism, socialism and anarchism.

 

Ok, the way i look at it under a socialist state if you did not have the money to afford a vacation, money is stolen from your neighbor to pay for your vacation. why should he work hard for his money, just to get it taken away to pay for something that you want?

 

So far it seems to be a step in the right direction.

Under capitalism when the rich can't afford a vacation (well that they think they can't afford it) they go to the goverment and get tax payers to pay for their vacation. Why should they even care about working hard when the goverment will bail them out regardless of how incompent they get for example Chrysler under Lee Iacocca.

 

Oh yeah, Capitalism was responsible for the taxes to pay for that...you obviously don't understand capitalism...

 

Your don't seem to understand the power of class, the rich would put a price on the head on any leader that didn't accept they are the bitch of the rich.

 

capitalism does not recognize class, it recognizes power of the individual. It puts the power of the person to determine whether he/she succeeds or not. where as socialism it puts the burden of others mistakes on everyone.