Why aren't other muslims taking up a jihad against these terrorists. Making their religion look like shit all over the world, all they can say is well this doesn't reflect Islam, its a peaceful religion. BULLSHIT. They attend these mosques too, there to dumb to realize whos who and whats going on? They dont hear the hate rallies going on (more in Europe than America due to the liberalism of Europe). The only way the Islamic way of life is going to persist is if those muslims who are against the faschist extremests (Islamonazis) bent on holocaust of Infidels, take up arms and root out the sick individuals. Is it that hard to fucking understand? I havent heard one news story about a rally against the radicals that are making them look bad all over the world. Maybe when racial profiling comes back and innocent muslims are being killed by their neighbors, maybe then they'll realize they fucked up. Either your with them or against them. I wanna hear of rallies and unions of Muslims against terrorists, seriously or else screw all of em. If they love allah so much they cant wage war on those that are ruining their religion and western civilization then fuck em all. Round em up and kill them, before the faschists do it to us.
Islamic Jihad ('struggle') is their Holy War. And they kill non-Islamic people in their own countries too (especially Sudan), so the only difference is that one's an attack in a different country, making it more of a shock. And no, this isn't discriminating Islam (we're in the Islamic forums here!) Jihad through bloodshed's actually in the Koran...
I made a really long reply but then something went wrong, Its really annoying when that happens. Il try to re post later.
I'm a muslim so let me explain.. First of all those terrorist groups are really strong and powerful so it can't get beaten with a single jihad.. They've weapons,soldiers,ammunitions,tactics,all kind of vehicles and anything they need.. Their soldiers are well trained and well organized.. They've popularity on the mobs and fearful reputation and never forget they're terrorist! you can't know where to fight them.. it doesn't like fighting aganist a country. That does makes why terrorist groups can't be destroyed so easyly... understood ?..
stlkr_94, good try but not enough... I think the real reason that the terrorist groups can't be destroyed so easyly is other. The truth is that the most of muslim population sympathizes to the terrorosts and their ultra-islamic beliefs. Of course if somebody ask them they will deny, but the life shows the opposite... Why shoul they make war against other muslims? That's irrational from the muslims point of view! Can somebody tell me when was the last real war between two or more muslim wars?
y'all need to quit tryina get muslims to justify themselves! and please read through the scores of threads out there (coverin the same topic) b4 openin up new ones all the time. peace
The terrorist can only live in the sea of the people. Without a fair amount of popular support no insurgent movement has ever worked. Some examples are the Weather Underground in the US or Che Guevara in Bolivia.
I grow tired to answer your ignorant opinions sad knight.. If you try to take a look on internet, you'll find many wars between islamic countries.. think about the war of iraq and persia.. and in history you can see countless wars between muslims! It's not right muslims has sympathy about terrorism.Everybody in turkey hates those terrorists as much as other countries.Make sure about that.Ultra Islamic Belief is not a right word to explain so i'd say it's 'False/Fake Islamic beliefs'. I'm telling the truth.. Those terrorist groups are very strong. Everybody is frightened to attemp anything wrong with them so you can't unite an army aganist them.
[font="]stlkr_94[/font][font="], I expected more from you! Your speech is too [/font][font="]mediocre [/font][font="]and you don’t deserve to give a special attention to your arguments. Your expressions are full with a contradictions! First you said [/font][font="]"They've popularity on the mobs and fearful reputation" [font="]and after that you disprove yourself:[/font][/font][font="][/font][font="][/font][font="][font="][/font][font="] [/font][font="] "[/font][/font][font="]It's not right muslims has sympathy about terrorism.[/font][font="]" [font="]Come on friend I can read and to think! [/font][/font][font="]I recommend you to read more literature and criticism. Try to be more observant! You confirmed my belief that the Muslims will deny the truth. But the truth is too bright even for you! If you were a fair player, you could admit that so many Muslims support the ultra-Islamic movement! [/font] [font="]Fact 1 – even in your own country before fairly 10-12 years the hard-Islamic conservative party won the elections! Do you remember what happened then? The army made interference in the politics and change the government! It proves that even in democracy the Muslims prefer the religious lies. The Turks maybe now hate the terrorist after the recently attempts in Istambul but before that...? Don't make me laugh! [/font] [font="]Fact 2 – you forget the power of the Muslim terrorism grows in the last 20 years, just since the wars between the Muslim states were stopped. Don't speak about the wars before a centuries, tell me about the present! The Muslim states live in a peace but the aggression of their people is purposed out.[/font][font="] [/font][font="][/font] [font="]Fact 3 – the ideological direction of the terrorists is the Jihad and I don’t see nothing like “False Islamic Beliefs” here. That’s a normal hate and a normal war against the other, the different people. It’s a characteristic of the closed societies which “run from the freedom” (if you know about Erick Fromm).[/font] [font="]And finally Fact 4 – you have right that the terrorist groups are very strong. BUT you can’t or maybe you don’t want to explain why (really why?) the terrorists have so strong support! The answer is known – because the Islamic terrorism is based on the beliefs of the people in the Muslim states! You said: “[/font][font="]They've weapons,soldiers,ammunitions,tactics,all kind of vehicles and anything they need.. Their soldiers are well trained and well organized.. [/font][font="]They've popularity on the mobs and fearful reputation and never forget they're terrorist! you can't know where to fight them.. it doesn't like fighting aganist a country.[/font][font="]” Be honest and tell us who give the money to the terrorists? Where from are the soldiers? Why they have this popularity on the mobs? Where the terrorists find a shelters? [/font] [font="] In conclusion I wish you Islam to grow and to learn to live in peace with the other religions! No matter that we’re “unbelievers”! [/font]
[font="] Let us remember that this rule of democracy which the west has chosen to compell others to adhere to is something that reached Turkey a little while ago. What suprises me is the fact that western countries have themselves gone through a range of difficulties, civil wars and revulotions to end up with their democracy, but your somehow expecting us to change our ways in a few seconds? [font="][/font] [font="]Secondly, being democratcly elected does not mean that the elected is either good or bad, it just shows his way of handeling marketing and speeches. Lest we forget, lest we forget that Hitler was acually elected and he was certainly not a decent man![/font] [font="][/font] [font="]Thirdly, we are speaking about Turkey. I dont thing theres any other muslim nation that has become as secularised as turkey. Western ideologies are given precedence over islamic ones! A sister which was recently elected into the parliment was detained from her seat because she wore a hijab covering her head![/font] [font="][/font] [font="] [/font] I am strongly convinced (and this is no pie in the sky belief) that islam is what keeps the people from burning up completly into starting gigantic rages and wars. Please, look at your self in the mirror. If a school kid in the states would start a rampage of shooting in his school the goverment would most defanatly start sending a bunch of psycologist and other suited people to that area, not to support these actions but to understand them. Its an evident fact that the US has today killed thousands of civilians in Afganistan, made their children orphans and blown up their houses. The us bombings of iraq has now reached a death toll of 23-26 000 civilan souls, and this without meantioning all the infrastructure that has been ruthlessly destroyed. Now I am asking you a sincere question, if the countries in europe would face such tribulations (along other things I didnt mention, such as the increase of poverty in several areas afflicted by these bombings), would they not then start wars? Wouldnt a great revulotion start, wouldnt people go crazy?! [font="] [/font] Whos running from freedom here? I am sick and tired of western people who think that terrorist attacks has anything to do with a coveting people or with hating liberty. I do not support attacks of corruption towards innocent people but atleast I understand the reason behind them. Usama him self said that he does not stand against freedom but against a people who have raped his country up side down. He even said: "If we really hated freedom why wouldnt we attack Sweden?" (it doesnt get any more liberal than this, trust me). It is not your lifestyle that is attacked it´s the way you handel foreign policies! [font="] [/font] What beliefs? The quran does not provoke terrorism, it strongly forbids it! Islam came to stop such things and give support for the weak and there are a wide number of ahadith and verses about this issue. You should never judge a religion after its followers, its not right to point a finger towards peaceful christians because of what evil their forefathers did nor is it correct to blaim the acts of some muslims to their great religion.
oh, i'm sorry sad knight. i just thought you was an idiot fashist but i'm glad i'm mistaken now and i'm sorry to act so rude.. well, i think cabdirazaaq made good reply but still i'll tell ya something about fact 1. Fact 1 – even in your own country before fairly 10-12 years the hard-Islamic conservative party won the elections! Do you remember what happened then? The army made interference in the politics and change the government! It proves that even in democracy the Muslims prefer the religious lies. The Turks maybe now hate the terrorist after the recently attempts in Istambul but before that...? Don't make me laugh! That was the worst times i've seen in turkey but now '' false-islams'' are out of power and turks will never let them have what they had once !!! We Turks never prefer any religious lies and so do NOT tell me about that again. I can't let them anyone think something wrong about my country cause this is MY country! And Turks NEVER supported Terrorism and never was a part of it. It is USA and Russia who have supported those terrorist once. I can't say anything for now but i'm suspicious about USA to use that terrorist for their attempts to invade and counqueror Iraq. Terrorism is good reason for attack... and please don't say something like that about my country again..
We all loves our countries, stlkr! Bulgaria and Turkey are neighbours and I must tell you that I respect all my neighbours! And I expect the same. But please be honest and admit that today the terrorism sleeps under the surface in many islamic societies. Aristoteles said: "I love Platon but I love the truth more than Platon" I don't acuse you, I warn you against the terrorism! We all will feel better without the fear of the assaults in New York, London, Madrid, Istanbul, Moscow, Beslan etc. I wonder how is possible in 21st century the aggression to be weared with ideological words and the Jihad to be reason for existing for so many people. I believe that the Islam has many important spiritual values and I'll be happy to leave with peace with the muslims. But for the moment I not agree to be offended with the words: "We'll put in your states the green flag of the Prophet!", OK? I read that in other forum... So I'll be an enemy to every person who deny my right to be a human being, to be a christian and to exist with my beliefs. I'll be an enemy to everybody who call me "unbeliever" because I believe in the God who was born before 2000 years, who was crucified and who rised from the dead! Live in peace!
Ok.. I'm glad to hear that neighbour, and i certanly respect your country and greece also. but i can't say same for eastern arabic neighbours who've betrayed us before.. but whatever I think the problem is : Most of those arabic peope are so ignorant and their minds can be poisoned so easyly and ultra false islamic groups and organisations supports them. I accept it! but not all muslims does. As cabdirazzaq and quran says ' The quran does not provoke terrorism, it strongly forbids it! '... Live in Peace!
