God's Will versus Free Will

hey lib, you been toking tonite?

 

I see your point, but what if in his kindness to prove Himself to the world He resurrected Jesus (I obviously believe that is the proof). Should God resurrect a man for every generation to witness? It would probably make things easier, but hey the book is there for all to read. Proof, I think, is also in the transformation of born again Christains, and how they can be transformed and convinced basically over night. I don't see how empty beliefs can do that.

Anyway just my opinion.

 

i value your opinion!

well, for starters - god resurrected jesus. ok. how do you know? i ask this with complete sincerity. explain to me how you know that jesus rose from the dead. in fact, explain to me how you know anything about jesus. what do you have?

the transformation of born again christians. what of other religions? every religion has followers for a reason. every religion has followers to truly believe that they are in possession of the truth. i know people who have seen kindly visions of the hindu avatars, how's that for proof of their existence?


love,

 

This is the problem with ultimate truth and belief. I cannot seperate the fact that I am convinced that it is ultimate truth and the fact that I believe in it. So it seems true to me just like everyone else's beliefs would seem like truth to them. How do I know that Jesus was resurrected? I obviously did not see it with my own eyes. I read about Jesus with an open and truth seeking heart, finally (weeks later) I took the leap of faith an accepted Jesus as true and was spiritually "buzzing" for three and a half days. While that doesn't offer proof as such to anyone else it is enough for me. An emotional/spiritual experience is not proof, nothing can prove it, I guess that is why it takes faith.

I guess all you can do is sincerely seek the truth and when you are convinced you have little reason not to believe.

What else can humans do?

Much love.

 

yes, i understand. i also used to believe that, and i know the feeling you mean to describe. i remember the day well that i became a christian. still, as humans we are prone to ignorance. our emotions cannot be taken to be indications of truth - certainly not! by your same set of 'rules', for lack of a better word, my friend bob could open the Ooga Booga Book of the Gods and decide to believe it, despite there being no proof for it, he may experience visions or voices of the Gods from the books (there is no question our minds have amazing capabilities), he may experience feelings of love and gladness, all these things. still, reason protests, quietly and quieter...



peace,

 

It is a tough one alright. Good luck with everything. I guess one day we will all know for sure who was right, whether it be everyone, no-one, or only a few. If the evolutionists are right we will never know, but the funny thing is neither will they.

The ever elusive truth is truly elusive.

 

thanks, & likewise

 

Here's my 2c's worth ~

All people are born into life and inherit or develop ways of perceiving life and the world which is broadly covdered by the term "psychology."
To have a perfect view of the world, one must be born into a perfect familial environment, and the odds of that happening are remote when 96% of western families are dysfunctional. Therefore the greater part of society is psycho-emotionally screwed up.
Cognitive Dissonance is a psychological disorder common in religious communities, and knowledge of the condition best answers your question nitemarehippygirl......
http://www.geocities.com/questioningpage/mhealth7.html

http://www.geocities.com/questioningpage/mhealth6.html

http://www.barnabasministry.com/hassan2.htm

** http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar05/Salisbury0329.htm **

 

thanks mrree! i'm checking out those sites now...



sophia