Shopping Addiction?

Discussion in 'Consumer Advocacy' started by AoXoMoXoA420, Sep 28, 2005.

  1. AoXoMoXoA420

    AoXoMoXoA420 Member

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    I've noticed a lot of people on here saying how they are very conscious of how our economic system works, but they just keep shopping at walmart etc. for some unknown reason. Is it really that hard to not give those motherfuckers your money?

    I've just been getting on myself lately about how and where I spend my money. If we're going to be complaining about how the earth is being destroyed, we should probably at least take steps to see that we as individuals aren't harming the planet. You think its fucked up that all our food is sold to us in little branded packages? DON'T BUY IT! Make contacts with farmer's outside of your city. organize your friends together who are sick of buying food from walmart. The farmers will really appreciate the support. See if your town has a Co-op or any other food store that supports economic justice.

    you think its fucked up what everyone drives their own car? just stop driving! if the majority of people on this earth don't have cars and they survive, you can do. use public transportation, ride a bike, walk... anything... once you've slowed down enough, you may find yourself realizing you prefer to not drive. it's really not that bad riding a bike everywhere, you get to be outside, it's good exercise, and requires no gas money.

    i could go on with examples for ever but i don't want to bore you guys too much with my view of consumer culture at this moment in time.
    thoughts people? i accept i could be completely wrong, so let me know if you disagree. but tell me specifically why... thanks.

    -ben
     
  2. ~sweet~LiL~Bunny~

    ~sweet~LiL~Bunny~ Member

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    People shop at places like walmart etc coz its convenient and cheap(i dont no about this one ive never been in a walmart im in aus)
    Buying food in little branded packages again is convenient and often the only option, which is why it is still done.

    Making contact with farmers etc isnt as easy as u make it sound - alot of farmers are contracted to supply foods to the larger chains etc, and they would make more money giving theire produce to the larger chains who buy alot more and pay alot more - compared to a few individuals who want fresh produce in small quantities.
    Also, this would mean that the produce would have to be transported a diffrent way, by another truck or by the individuals going to get it - in their car - which doesnt help your next suggestion much.

    People dont walk ride bikes etc because its not always going to be possible. My fiance for example would love to catch a bus or train to work, but where he works isnt covered by buses trains etc, so it would be impossible for him to catch public transport. And he couldnt walk or ride a bike because its a 90 minute drive. But he would love to - imagine all the money hed save on petrol.
    Even after asking the bus comp. to add routes there, they wouldnt do it, which means he will still have to drive, as will other people that live or work in that particular area.

    So your suggestions so far are good, but there are still prblems with them. It would be great if people would buy from farmers, walk or ride everywhere, and not buy into large corporations, but the bottom line is people still will because its what they are used to and its convenient.

    ciao
    ash
     
  3. AoXoMoXoA420

    AoXoMoXoA420 Member

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    thanks for the comments...

    yes i know there is much truth in what you say. I guess i just say that because i am at a point in my life where i don't have to drive, and my all my food comes from reasonable places. have you ever heard of food co-ops? you should check them out. it's a very radical, logical, and brilliant idea.

    if you care to read, this is basically how it works...

    A cooperative is an organization that is owned and controlled by its membership, with each member being an equal co-owner.

    How Co-ops Work

    There are many cooperatives all over the world including consumer co-ops (like PFC), worker co-ops (Edinburgh Bicycle Workers Cooperative) and producer co-ops (Ocean Spray). No matter what their function, all cooperatives exist to serve their member-owners.

    Each member makes an investment in their co-op and has a voice in controlling their co-op’s activities. Anyone may become a member. At PFC, for example, any person can join] by making a $60 investment to get the benefits all members receive, including one vote in member decisions. This is different from privately owned businesses, in which there is unequal ownership and control based on the size of one’s investment.

    Co-ops operate according to a set of specific business practices designed to benefit their memberships. Although cooperatives serve a wide variety of purposes and use differing organizational structures, they generally direct their activities toward the common good and foster active democratic participation and education.

    The International Cooperative Alliance adopted the following principles in 1995:

    Voluntary and Open Membership – There are many cooperatives all over the world including consumer co-ops (like PFC), worker co-ops (Edinburgh Bicycle Workers Cooperative) and producer co-ops (Ocean Spray). No matter what their function, all cooperatives exist to serve their member-owners.

    Democratic Member Control – Cooperatives are democratic organizations controlled by their members, who actively participate in setting their policies and making decisions. Men and women serving as elected representatives are accountable to the membership. In primary cooperatives, members have equal voting rights – one member, one vote – and cooperatives at other levels are organized in a democratic manner.

    Members’ Economic Participation – Members contribute equally to, and democratically control, the capital of their cooperative. At least part of that capital is usually the common property of the cooperative. They usually receive limited compensation, if any, on capital subscribed as a condition of membership. Members allocate surpluses for any or all of the following purposes: developing the cooperative, possibly by setting up reserves, part of which at least would be indivisible; benefiting members in proportion to their transactions with the cooperative; and supporting other activities approved by the membership.

    Autonomy and Independence - Cooperatives are autonomous, self-help organizations controlled by their members. If they enter into agreements with other organizations, including governments, or raise capital from external sources, they do so on terms that ensure democratic control by their members and maintain their cooperative autonomy.

    Education, Training and Information - Cooperatives provide education and training for their members, elected representatives, managers and employees so they can contribute effectively to the development of their cooperatives. They inform the general public – particularly young people and opinion leaders – about the nature and benefits of cooperation.

    Cooperation among Cooperatives – Cooperatives serve their members most effectively and strengthen the cooperative movement by working together through local, national, regional, and international structures.

    Concern for Community – While focusing on member needs, co-operatives work for the sustainable development of their communities through policies accepted by their members.

    Types of Co-ops

    Any type of business can be organized as a cooperative. Co-ops can provide services for a wide range of social needs. Below are several general variations of cooperative structure.

    Consumer Cooperatives – The membership consists of people who consume the goods and services provided by the co-op. These co-ops can provide services such as housing, childcare, food, energy, health care, savings and equipment. Examples include the University of Michigan Credit Union, Triangle Co-op Nursery, Great Oak Co-housing and PFC.

    Producer Cooperatives – These co-ops provide goods and services for producers and are owned by the producers. A number of producer co-ops exist to serve the interests of food growers; two examples are Welch’s Grapes and Ocean Spray, which market farm products and are owned by growers.

    Worker Cooperatives – The members and owners are the employees of the business. Worker co-ops (like Edinburgh Bicycle Workers Cooperative) are often small businesses and are found in areas as diverse as food processing, taxi services and crafts production.

    Cooperative Organizations – These are co-ops with organizations as members rather than individuals. Two examples are the Michigan Alliance of Cooperatives and the National Cooperative Business Association.

    but yeah, it really brings me down that a lot of people are left with no other choice but to shop at walmart and drive.

    ppeace
     
  4. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Ann Arbor is a socially minded place, and what you describe is MUCH easier in a place with a larger percentage of people who care.
    I've been in progressive places and I've been the lone social activist in a community of 1500.
    It's far easier in the urban areas.
    Walmart is cheap. you get what you pay for in corporate responsibility, though.
    So does that make the next discout store better, or even better enough?
    I don't know, and when I do get something new, like socks or underwear, I do go to discount stores. (KMart, Target. These are not items one finds in artisan shops. For good reason.) Just can't get it second hand for a couple of reasons.
    BUT I do support farmers, crafters and artisans where I can, the same way I do local/ small scene musicians. it's a point of pride for me.

    Here's how: farmer's markets: first choice for produce (I'm veggie, so meat is not in my loop, although many CSA's have lamb or poultry, some exclusively. A CSA, for community supported agriculture is where you make an investment in the farm and get produce through the season.) second choice: CSA or you pick is nice, but with gas prices, this season, unless I can find a couple other mamas or papas, it's not economically viable for me.
    Now we turn to shops.
    Boulder and Nederland have open to the public co ops. Denver's is still in planning. I attend shows in Ned and Boulder several times a year (again, gas prices). I take a cooler , chilled with frozen items at home, to store any perishables.
    Boulder has grind your own wheat and laundry liquid in bulk, so I stock up.
    After the co ops comes a challenge: Whole Foods and Wild Oats both carry conventionally grown produce. I don't want to pay their prices for that , and the selection of true organics, after 87 varieties of mushroom, is smaller than one would expect.
    So I hit them for sales.
    Apples and citrus mostly.
    The standard markets have some organics, and I get what I can in organic. If price is a factor as it often is, I have a level system of what is most important to get organic.
    I'll get frozen organic berries over conventional fresh.
    I can usually afford organic onions, carrots and potatoes, and I will skip greens if they are conventional. Pesticide load is too high.
    I simply have what is basically a flow chart in my head! if this, then that.

    For clothing and good like that, I get most from thrifts. I don't go to yard sales except in my neighborhood, or on my walk home from work.
    I'm also on a freecycle.com local list. I've off-loaded kid clothes and gained a dehydrator. still dreaming of a Vita Mix. (always get on the closest ritzy suburb list, best hauls. same is true in yard sales)

    I have a great knife set, expensive but warrantied until my death. I just sprang for a good set of stainless steel pans, at 37, because my thrifties warp within months, and the nonstick coating is always flaking off. Cast iron was too heavy for me to manouver easily. If you are starting out, get one or two GOOD pans over the box of 10 pieces of mediocre. fill in with second-hand until you add what you need of good stuff. I have seen chef-quality pans in thrifts, and once dumpster diving behind a college (bad break ups are good for trash pickers). They are rare, but you never know.
    (I got both for a cook friend)
    What I have to get new, or should for quality's sake, I save and get the best I can.

    I don't shop WM unless I have no option. I think I've gotten OTC asthma meds at 3 a.m. when I lost my inhaler. This is potentially life threatening with my asthma. I probably got a pack of gum, or an apple too.
    But day to day and 99.9 percent of the time, I won't give them of their subsidiaries my business. No WM gas station stops, no Sam's Club.

    energy: I am car lite in an area with a fairly good public transit system. I drive maybe twice a week, job related or the biweekly laundry/grocery run.
    I also keep the car in tune and with clean filters in the engine.
    dreaming of a greasy greta (biodiesel/straight veggie oil) or hybrid/full electric one day.
    Home: compact flourescents, lots of insulating and poor folk storm windows. I did not need the a/c this year. It wasn't perfect, but endurable. Window fans at night pulling cooler air in, switched around for a couple hours in the evening to push the warmed inside air out.
    I got a blanket for the water heater, and I switch the air filters monthly in the winter.

    now, I've had 21 years to develop these strategies. Adopt a few and get ahead of my learning curve!
     

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