frustration with actual ability

Discussion in 'Art' started by Deleted member 17362, Sep 18, 2005.

  1. alright, I have an image in my head, I've broken it down into the smallest bits I possibly can to draw it, but I just can't do it I can't transcribe the shapes as cleanly as it works in my mind...

    and now someone is going to say everybody has this problem

    but I am literally incapable of drawing some of the things I want to in the long scale

    how do you deal with not being able to get an image out of your head onto paper or canvad or what have you?
     
  2. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Isn't it amazing?

    If you want to play music, you are made to sit down and do scales, and practice fingering, scales, chords (if guitar or similar instrument), etc. and are finally given real pieces of music when and only when you can figure out musical notation with the exercises given.

    If you want to dance, you spend HOURS on fundamentals. Stances, pat de chat, etc.
    Stretches, nutrition etc. are important and you get to dance if and only if you can hold the pose and/or make the requisite leaps etc.

    So art - no longer do they teach technique, they simply say some bullshit like "paint what you feel" or "this line should go like this" or whatever.

    Art is like every other artistic endeavour. Work your fundamentals. Grab a chalk and move it around. Practice making all sorts of marks. Get it so that you can figure out how to shade exactly the right gradation. Then find casts, and do cast study. Use your pencil as a guide and learn how to see negative and positive shapes. Use the pencil to work out angles, and distances, and transcribe same to page.

    Used to be you wouldn't be allowed NEAR a chalk until you could do a decent set of guidelines. Then you were allowed to shade in black and white, in chalk. Then you made paints, and painted only in shades of brown. When you could capture light, shadow, form, volume and composition on command, THEN you were given color and taught the color wheel.

    Does anyone here know why using titanium white will screw up fleshtones and other oranges?

    Here's a drawing of mine http://irongoth.deviantart.com/
     
  3. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Don't bemoan a lack of "ability" it's all about practice.

    You couldn't sit down and play the Moonlight Sonata at first bash - why the hell would you be able to nail a Mona Lisa?
     
  4. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Sorry for the rant, it's one of my pet peeves. It's ENTIRELY possible through practice and training for ANYONE to learn to paint glowing, realistic paintings.

    It's just that we've decided in this modern age that vomiting a bunch of egg drop soup on a canvas and calling it "Night Vision, 1804" is "art".

    For Christ's sake a winning art installation recently was an empty room with a lightbulb in it.
     
  5. but you see, I don't really have to practice music, it just works..


    I hear what I want to play, I fiddle with the notes a little to figure out what sounds like what and boom, it works

    with dancing to a point as long as I have an understanding of everything that is going on (which is really the hard bit) I can emulate it

    with cooking I can have a flavour in my head and take a pallete of seasonings and combine them and make that series of flavours, it just works

    I can't do the same with visual stuff, I have the mechanics in my head, I know how precisely the pencil\pen should move, I just can't get it to work

    and I'm pretty certain it's not hand eye coordnation, hell I am teh leet pwnage at most video games I play, I just can't get it
     
  6. jules329

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    Thank you! I have this very problem! I have these awesome images in my head but can't get them to the canvas. In a post that I started people said practice makes perfect so I am trying. Good luck!
     
  7. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    I have the same problem, and I have pretty much given up trying to draw what I see in my mind exactly as I see it, so I just use the vision I have and let myself draw something close to it. Oh, and I never learned how to professionaly use color, I dont have the time for it since I'm always more involved with music, but I think a pencil drawing works fine for me.
     
  8. Charlotte

    Charlotte Member

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    I was going to say the same thing. Sometimes I don't even get close to what I see in my mind. When it "veers" off, I just try to make it look nice for what it is. I've even tried more than once to draw the same thing I'm visualizing and ended up with very different pictures.
     
  9. somethingwitty

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    I think you should read a biography of John Cage.


    If you really, really, really feel what your mind's eye sees you WILL find a way to express it. As much as I'd like to say you need artistic talent, you don't have to have any actualy talent to be an artist. The only requirement is really to be original.
     
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