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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Deleted member 17362, Sep 14, 2005.

  1. so they want to build a human rights council and do a few other reforms


    I was thinking, shouldn't the countries with the best human rights for their citizens have spots on that council (I.E. not america) and shouldn't Very populous nations get some more weight on the security council if only because they have more people?
     
  2. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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  3. Bassist

    Bassist Gate crasher!

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    I've just given up caring what goes on in the UN. They've become an embarrassment. Though the word "reform" brings some peace of mind....

    America will definately get a spot, whether the government deserves it or not. We supposedly think very highly of human rights (get a chuckle out of that one, if you please).
     
  4. yeah, they were talking of adding permanent members (more than the current 5)
     
  5. Tsubasa

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    There is debate about adding more than the Allied powers from WWII to permanent positions on the security council. (e.g. Japan, Germany, Brazil). Also the human rights committee is another issue under review. For example, blatant human rights violators (such as Iran) hold seats on the commission for human rights. The U.S. will be unlikely to be barred from any council or commission, particularly since they hold such influential power in the U.N. They were one of the founding members, they hold (and most likely will continue to hold) a permanent seat on the security council, they are unlikely to ever relinquish their veto power and they provide much of the economic and military support for the U.N.

    Given, the U.S. is in debt to the U.N., but in all reality, if the U.S. were to withdraw from the U.N. the power would be one tenth of what it is now. Truly, the U.S. could (at great personal expense) police the world itself as the U.N. does now. (not that the U.S. doesn't try anyway.
     
  6. so is the nra, but they also dictate all sorts of laws in the untied states......
     
  7. trippymcnugget

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    I disagree. The NRA doesn't want to control you. The UN however...
     
  8. the nra wants to force every state to have minimal to no controls on guns, I personally don't want that, so yes, the NRA wants to control me


    not to the extent, but they certainly do
     
  9. Bassist

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    What's wrong with that? We should keep our rights.
     
  10. I don't want five year olds and convicted murderers to be able to touch guns, they are okay with it, might not be their public position because it would not be good for more moderate membership, but by degrees they'll eventually get there
     
  11. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    [size=-1]Anti-gun activist groups claim that all of their proposals--including gun bans, prohibitive taxes, registration and licensing to name a few-- are "moderate and reasonable." Those who oppose such ideas, they say, are "unreasonable." And they claim that NRA opposes all gun laws. The truth is, NRA supports many gun laws, including federal and state laws that prohibit the possession of firearms by certain categories of people, such as convicted violent criminals, those prohibiting sales of firearms to juveniles, and those requiring instant criminal records checks on retail firearm purchasers.[/size][size=-1]1[/size]........"they" the NRA dont want 5 year old's or convicted criminal's having gun's anymore than you do. an they're quite clear on that. it has always been their "public" position. see FABLE 3 http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/fables.html#FABLE%20III:
     
  12. it's called incrementalism, it's called a long term agenda, look at the big picture....


    they support it now because it looks good for them to support it now, later when they don't have to support it to look good, when they have way more power they can knock off a lot


    look at how their positions change and their demands change as the amount of sway they have changes

    LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE NOT JUST A SINGLE SLICE OF TIME!!!!!
     
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    shaggie Senior Member

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    NRA has a way of popping off snide remarks. Bush Sr. quit his NRA memebership after the NRA referred to the ATF as a bunch of jack-booted thugs in one of their fund-raising newsletters.

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    shaggie Senior Member

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    NRA poured a lot of money into the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections in West Virginia (a state known for its love of hunting) trying to convince people that if Gore or Kerry was elected the hunters would have their guns taken away. In response, Kerry even put on a hunting jacket and went duck hunting. :)

    Apparently, it paid off for the NRA. W. Viriginia was historically a stronghold for the Democrats in Presidential elections but not anymore.

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  15. duck hunting, going to find the ducks his campaign team had killed and shooting into the air nearby, same diff.....


    <kidding>
     
  16. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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    Not sure if you're kidding. There was some question whether he actually shot all those ducks in the short photo-op time he was there.

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  17. it was said in a kidding tone if it makes you feel any better....
     
  18. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    can you show me a time when they didnt support it? show me an article where the NRA fought for a convicted felon or a 5 year old's right to bear arm's...
    no, in reality they are getting farther away from it..the list of people is getting larger not smaller.
     
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