Meth instead of Marijuana

tweakers crash cars and decapitate babies and beat their children.

 

alcoholics beat thier wives and kill people when they drive, yet its still legal

 

all this talk about meth makes me want to smoke some ice

 

You better be joking Bill

 

streetgangs were fighting long, long before "methamphetamine" was even a word. only some of the gang fighting is related to drugs, and even when it is it's a superficial reason. they will fight regardless of whether or not drugs are involved, its more the group mentality of gangs, not to mention numerous social stressors, that leads to violence, not any specific drug.

 

gang warfare does not happen from drugs itself... its usually from tryin to sell drugs on the wrong corner if anything... so actually its the dealer that causes warfare... not the drugs... everyone has drugs... just gotta remember not to sell in someone elses area... they see it as you stealing their money.. and clientel

 

Ya meth is shit. I heard they changed the law here for trafficking(sP?) meth to 25 years or something.

 

In michigan they already started a war on meth and most of the weed dealers i know have not been popped yet.

 

ahhhh meth blows lol shit scares me

 

damn since when did everybody start trippin on each other in here?

dont knock it til u tried it is what ive alwas said and i tried meth recently....soooooo heres my opinion: Meth is highly addictive so u have to treat it as such. myself and 2 friends got a 40 bag one night and smoked two "bowls" (base pipe) and then snorted the rest over the course of the night. Its an ok high, alot like coke. the only weak part is the come down...fiend like a motherfucker. all in all, i wouldnt do it again because ive known people personall who its fucked over but to each his own and everything in moderation.

 

ok what im trying to say is, let a 20 year old drink but if hes caught driving send him to jail w/ a harsh sentence, if a 17 year old is smoking and blowing smoke in a babys face, send him to juvi or some kind of mental place for being so sick. if u put these harsh sentences people will learn there lessons, and this is a free country right? I do marijuana and its illegal but, i dont effect anyone else but me, i never steal from my mom, or anyone else, i earn my money from a job and spend what i can on some bud, im not effecting no one. but if im caught like robbing a store or somthign for money to buy it then i think i schould be sent to some place for help, or sent to jail. and if drugs were legal just make really harsh punishments for when they abuse it. and therre wont be much robberys because if its legal prices go down. this is very hard to explain my philosophy on a board much easier to explain in person but, im trying the best i can, im not very good at explanitory essays. as long as u dont affect anyone else ist fine, but if u do effect someone else then u schould be punished very strongly for abusing the drug. its kind of like when a 40 yearold man works all day like 7:00am-7:00pm and he gets home and he wnats a drink, because he had a stressfull day, sure hes hurting his liver or w/e but hes not hurting you or me? but if he gets drunk and hits someone or decides to drive around town under the influance, then he schould have a very harsh punishment, and the same if the kids 20 years old.

 

^^^^I agree with you...but at the same time, there are just some drugs that shouldn't be legal due to their highly addictive tendencies and the fact that they usually are linked with violence...and some drugs are easily ODed on...I don't think anything you can OD on should be legal...except for alcohol, not because it's special or I think it's any better, but simply because if it were made illegal...well, it just wouldn't happen because people would be pissed off.

 

almost no drugs actually do cause violent tendencies. rather, violence becomes a problem when someone is extremely addicted to a drug and someone or something is preventing them from it. people hold up pharmacies to get things like adderall and percodan and whatnot for crying out loud. you know what? if the government suddenly made tobacco illegal, it wouldnt stop being sold, it would just go to the black market. and let me tell you that its powerful enough of an addiction for some people that if it were suddenly no longer affordable or legal and they had no other means of obtaining cigarettes, there would be people who would start stealing and mugging people to provide enough of an income to get their nicotine. rather, if things like meth and heroin were legal to sell over the counter in restricted quantities to legal adults aware of the consequences, it could be provided very affordably to addicts and would actually REDUCE the violence associated with the drug. very few drugs tend to cause violent behavior in otherwise nonviolent people, though.

by that logic we must immediately ban tylenol, dextromethorphan, and many other over the counter drugs. did you know more people die each year because of intentional acetominophen overdose than any other drug in the united states? its true.

again, if things like cocaine and heroin were legal, i would predict a decline in dangerous overdoses among the drug using public. for example, a cocaine or heroin addict used to using a certain amount of a certain fairly impure product will know how much of that product to take. overdoses usually don't occur from someone trying to push their limits to the max because most people feel uncomfortable intentionally going that far past their limit; rather overdoses usually occur because some unsuspecting user gets particularly pure drugs without realizing it and starts out using the same kind of dose they'd use with their normal, low quality drug. by standardizing purity of drugs everyone would get used to the strength of it and adjust their dosage accordingly. with proper warnings and educational pamphlets about the drug in the packaging, it would be easy to give tips on the box for making the transition from black market drugs to the cleaner, safer pharmaceutical grade drugs. it may cause a few problems short term, but in the long run this could actually save many, many lives.

 

Yeah, let's see what you have to say when you're rights are violated, either by the government (we have laws protecting us from them) or from a common criminal. All laws are not bad, but some certainly are.

If other drugs were legal, no one would want to use meth. Why would anyone want to use a drug made of auto chemicals? I don't know what drives people to use meth knowing what it's made of (generally), but I bet no one would even bother making it if you could drive to the store and buy some weed or coke.

 

first of all some other drugs ARE legal, second of all low-grade black market street meth may be "made of auto chemicals" but it's a very different thing from pure meth made properly to pharmaceutical quality in a laboratory.

 

Punishment is a very ineffective way to get someone to do something. It just makes them avoid getting caught. I agree with you that drugs should be legal and that most problems are caused by prohibition, not the drug itself. I'm just not sure that "severe punishment" for driving drunk or stoned will really solve anything (it clearly hasn't yet, that's for sure. The laws are often harsh, but still are often ignored). But I think most of the arrests and problems would go away once drugs are legalized, like you said, prices would drop, and also, one wouldn't have to associate with the illegal world of drugs (which connects you to cartels and mafia, thus violence and theivery too). Purity would be improved, so people know what they're getting and not killing themselves.

Anyways, drugs aren't really a problem in our society, aside from the fact that people break the law to use them. Sure, some heroin addicts steal to get their fix, but it's not a huge problem. The main problems are a) people using drugs (as it's illegal in itself) and b) dealers and cartels engaging in violence and other criminal activities. Addicts can be dealt with far better than with jail. And as far as dealers and cartels? Well, you don't see cigarette or alcohol distributors shooting up the streets over territory or whatever. Since it's all legal, they don't operate under the radar, and thus behave like any other business.

 

Crack and Methamphetamine are the only drugs that should be illegal in my opinion. All they end up doing is cause pain and death in the long run. Some other drugs are also very addictive but are not as severe as crack and meth based on what I've seen in friends and family. My dad is addicted to crack and most of my friends are, or were at one time, addicted to meth and/or crack. While they have tried other highly addictive drugs such as heroin and regular cocaine, crack and meth have been much more alluring to them. I'm unsure of the physical effects of crack, but meth is very damaging to the body. It rots the teeth. It crystalizes in the lungs, causing all kinds of respiratory disorders. It also crystalizes under the skin causing abrasions and intolerable itching. Its also been proven to deplete serotonin which causes depression. It causes severe paranoia about every aspect of your life. One of my friends got strung out so bad on meth that he thought his best friends were plotting to rob and murder him. Methamphetamine is quit possibly the worst drug epidemic in recent history in Georgia.

 

ah too many long posts about boring politics stuff

 

Dude opium shouldn't be legal eithor, that can fuck you up as far as addictions go, i think tobacco should also be illegal.

things like ghb can also be used pretty dangerously.

 

I agree with you about tobacco and nicotine. I have not witnessed the addictive potential of opium first hand so I'll have to remain neutral.