anti terrorism laws used against american animal rights activist

thanks-for-the-advice

 

I-think-it's-important-that-people-understand-the-wider-implications-of-these-new-laws.

Just-because-they-don't-effect-your-line-of-protest-yet-dosn't-mean-they-won't-be-used-against-you-in-the-future...the-means-are-now-in-place.

These-laws-take-away-the-freedoms-people-faught-for-for-decades...

Security-dosn't-come-through-repression.

so-violence-is-only-ok-if-it's-government-backed...I-get-ya

 

shes talkin sence to me

 

More often than not.

 

I agree totally on what she has said, if it were not in the context of this particular use of the legislation - but more on that in a moment. Some of these new laws could well be misused: if not by this government but more likely by a future government run by a different party. They are being well managed at the moment but I think it's almost inevitable that they will be abused sooner or later.

BUT, the example of Dr Best is an entirely legitimate use of this legislation. If you believe Dr Best's tone was anything but that of inciting violence I think that's perhaps worthy of a separate thread. It's very easy to blame the government, but on this occasion (rare I know!) they have acted properly.

It seems to me because it effects your line of protest you want to be treated as a special case! FWIW I was an active animal rights protestor during my student years but in the group I was with at least it seemed to be more about causing trouble than anything. I have to say that was part of the attraction (at the time), so it's not like I'm blinkered having seen it from both angles.

Ummmm - as somebody who believes in peace I think you will find at no point have I said violence is okay. Where did you get that idea from???

Also - serious question - is your spacebar key broken or sommat? I realise that that the spacebar looks a lot like the "-" character so I guess this is where confusion could arise.

 

you're-a-bit-slow-with-that-joke...but-still-you're-a-very-funny-guy

 

What-is-my-line-of-protest-in-your-opinion?...

I-understand-why-you-would-take-that-comment-at-face-value.

Let-me-explain

Governments-carry-out-terror-through-foreign-policy....

The-people-(alledgedly)-carry-out-terror-as-a-means-of-protest.

one-is-ok-and-one-isn't-through-current-law...

but-to-the-people-or-animals-who-are-on-the-receiving-end-of-terror-the-impact-on-them-is-the-same.

Best-you-got-out-of-it-then-if-you-were-in-it-just-for-a-fight:&

Glad-you're-more-peaceful-these-days

 

the new laws are only just comming in, theyve been abusing the old ones for yrs.
its a dead cert anti terror laws are gonna be used against various liberation groups more then actual terroists.
as for stopping terror, i find it funny that no one seems to see that england was well known up untill couple of yrs ago for letting anyone into the country. everyone was piling in here, (fairplay to them), but people were trecking all across europe and wernt allowed to stay anywhere in europe apart from england. england was pretty much open for anyone to get in. then suddenly there like, arghh no terroists, we better tighten things up, stop lettin ppl in.
i think the goverment are a bit cleverer then that. id hazard a guess that uk and usa knew its plans to start its war a long time before it tightened up on who it let in the country. and im pretty sure there intellegence new it would spark reprisals, so no matter how sercurity concious there acting and how many anti terror laws they bring in it looks see thru as fuck to me.
the goverment are devious fuckin crooks,
its a shame most people find that impossible to belive.

 

I don't find it hard to believe - just because I defend the government on one point doesn't mean I'm their bum buddy...

 

That just sounds like your condoning violent protest purely on the basis that the goverment carry out violence.
just because I disagree with violent protest doesn't mean I agree with violent political manouvours.

 

No..I-was-explaining-the-background-to-a-joke-I-made-to-cymru-that-he-seemed-to-misunderstand.

gees..does-no-one-get-irony-round-here?

Good

 

Some people genuinely think thats a justifyable cause for the grounds of violent retaliation.
Alot if the time it seems like a valid solution, but it only brings escalation and not resolution.
make peace not war people.

 

bless

 

Before I leave work and all these pages are lost.
I may have been somewhat incorrect on my definition of terrorist activities but I still feel the line is sketchy with respect to Dr Bset in respect to this
http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2004/terrorism.htm
(definitiopn at bottom of page)
Other things I found that where either humoropus apt or both were an article from animal crackers.
http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/animal_crackers/2005/04/steven_best_his_1.html
and what I felt was relevent to the thread you may not agreee but Sarah does som,e great art work here even if you feel the sentiment is misplaced here.
http://www.seraph-inn.com/viewcomic.php?page=235
this goes on couple more pages.
enjoy

 

Thanks