walks on water

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  1. telepylus

    telepylus Banned

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    what does this mean?
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    Matthew 14:24-33
    24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
    25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
    26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
    27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
    28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
    29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
    30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
    31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
    32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
    33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
    (KJV)

    Mark 6:47-51
    47 And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land.
    48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.
    49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:
    50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.
    51 And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered.
    (KJV)

    John 6:16-21
    16 And when even was now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,
    17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.
    18 And the sea arose by reason of a great wind that blew.
    19 So when they had rowed about five and twenty or thirty furlongs, they see Jesus walking on the sea, and drawing nigh unto the ship: and they were afraid.
    20 But he saith unto them, It is I; be not afraid.
    21 Then they willingly received him into the ship: and immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.
    (KJV)
     
  2. NaykidApe

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    Joseph Campbell would have said that in mythology the sea usually represents the mind/ego--the waves represent the thoughts of the conscous mind, the depth of the sea represents the sub-concous--and that Jesus walking on water represents an enlightened individual rising above the mind/ego.



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  3. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Nah. It represents an enlightened individual rising above God. You know. The first me.
     
  4. MrRee

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    It's a christian theft of the ancient Greek myth about the giant Orion who could walk on water.
     
  5. ryupower

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    It's usually the other way around, many of the Greek myths were taken from the Bible

    And mixed with their pagan gods ( Paul once went to Greece to preach to the people there) Like, for instance that sea monster , Leviathan.

    Or the dragon in the book of revelation, it has 7 heads. The Hydra was taken from it.

    They also took some earlier stuff from the Tanakh, like Goliath ( Heracles / Hercules )
     
  6. Oz!

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    erm, ryupower...tis the other way around, Classical Greek Mythology predates the new testament by a considerable timeframe .. much of it is also rumoured to predate the Old Testament as well, sorry :)
     
  7. ryupower

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    You think it's classical Greek mythology? :confused:
     
  8. Oz!

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    christianity assimilated huge amounts of mythology...not just greek..have you never read the New Testament? if you have, then i suggest you do some serious classical myth research...especially if the plagiarism currently escapes you :)
     
  9. FeelinGroovy

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    I believe if the mind and spirit are absolutely pure and the faith is completely unwavering and the act is purly in the lords name, that one can perform myraculous feats such as walking on water.


    :D
     
  10. Kharakov

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    I believe God put that whole walking on water thing in the bible to harass people into walking off piers into a lake and then dunking them in water.
    I wonder how many christians God has got with that one? Haha...

    Yes, you are a stinky child who does not want to bathe- if you have enough faith- you can walk on the water. The other excuse "You need to be baptised."
     
  11. ryupower

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    I don't meen that. I mean the Hydra,I know it's " Greek" mythology, but is it classic?

    I believe they could have added that in their later religion. Twisting Christian
    creatures into their own beliefs...

    But I don't know. That's why I'm asking.
     
  12. Oz!

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    "classical" is just an expression to describe mythology from the mediteranean at that time :)

    and you missed my point.......christianity incorporated mythology into it's own work (the bible).....not the other way around. Greek, roman and other myths existed first....christianity incorporated them at it's conception :)
     
  13. ryupower

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    Maybe in Revelation. It's only Revelation ( which John wrote in Greek), where I know there are symbols. It's so only book I know of to completely read in metaphorical form.

    For instance, " The whore of Babylon sits on the 7 hills " ( or the beast with the seven heads and 10 horns.) and " Babylon"
    After studying revelation, one knows that it's not the Babylon that went down in the 'olde' days, but a revived Roman empire, just so the whore of Babylon isn't a she, but actually a he, more precisely the Pope ( 7 hills, the Vatikan has seven hills, and 'purple,white, and scarlet' is what he wears, and the 7 hills have seven 'horns', which I don't remember the meaning of, I think the horns are said to represent the Church...)
     
  14. Oz!

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    seriously, please....go do some research....i'm starting to really think that you don't have much of an idea of how the Bible came about...
     
  15. ryupower

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    Maybe we should just leave it at that, we're getting off topic.:p
     
  16. Oz!

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    fine by me.....your missing out on some interesting findings tho' :)
     
  17. MrRee

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    Just keep your head buried in the sand, your eyes shut tight, never learn any history, refute all knowledge other that what christianity teaches, and you'll stay a good little christian all your life.
    Sadly this is universally true.
     
  18. nitemarehippygirl

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    i have never heard of the "walks on water" instance as being interpreted as anything other than literal walking on water.
     
  19. NaykidApe

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    Well now you have.
     

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