Evolution IS Creation

The Bible has not influenced the human genetic make up. All it has done is made infant mutilation acceptable to society. I am not complaining though, I think it looks better this way...

Society has had an extreme effect on the evolution of man, it has stopped it. Civilization has stopped it, not that we would be able to tell if it had not in the short period of time that is our life time.

 

You don't think people have ever selected partners based on religious beliefs?
modern example: Do you think catholic prohibition of abortion influences whether catholics procreate?

Are you joking?

 

of course not it is a matter of perspective if we face eachother and a butterfly flys between us is it moveing left or right? very simple! and i was not trying to be mean! i like occam!

 

Well you have a point, but still that does not result in evolutionary change in the species. There is no (and I don't think there ever will be, because I think religion will die out RELATIVELY soon), Catholic or Protestant species of human being Because A. not all people reproduce with people of the same religion and B. humans have mastered there environment so that there is no need to adapt anymore and C. an inconsequential thing like religion to biology wouldnt produce any deviance from the main species.

Maybe if you listened to Stevie Ray Vaughn's instrumental cover of Little Wing you might see where I am coming from...

 

didnt think you were being mean....i dont assume anger in posts on philosophies unless they are coming from closed minded fools
i just was confused on the comment
*cheers*

 

But it does. These little things accumulate and effect the direction of the species as a whole.

Evolution doesn't only produce seperate species, it produces the many varieties within the species as well, tall, short, fat, skinny, healthy, diseased, intelligent, stupid, hot, cool...

Religion isn't inconsequential to biology. Think of all the people killed in religious wars. Think of all the decisions influenced by religion that effect the lives of millions. Think of the influence of religion upon diet in india and muslim countries, which proceeds up and down the food chain.

Holy cow! it's india! lots of cows wanderin around = breeding ground for certain insects, bacteria, viruses, birds that eat the insects, animals that eat the birds....
Most filthy swine, you must not be eaten!!! it's a muslim!! piggies not bred for food= less breeding room for certain insects, viruses and bacteria. Less insects (food) for certain varieties of birds and aminals to eat (I like spelling animal aminal...), which means less of these birds and aminals breed, these birds and aminals that feed on the piggies are not near humans so they cannot spread viruses and diseases to the human population.....

Religion is one of the many natural means that God controls evolution with. You directly experience it's (linear timeline) effect upon the natural world, whether or not you are aware of it's effect upon you.

That's awesome. Keep on getting reminded of my friend Dondon Gold... hiding somewhere in arizona... Damn laws... He's a guitarist, used to talk about Stevie's version of little wing and play it at the bar. miss him..

 

religon has influenced genetics. Aside from what history has tried to make it appear, in a very large part of the world and for a great part of our history, woman chose there mates and audultry was not a hanging offence. They chose on the basis of procreation. The treatment of woman as second class citizens seems to have mainly come from the desert regions and asian peoples. ( although in the pre christian era of ancient egypt divorce was legal and woman owned land ) But throughout eurupe it was the womans choice and prearanged marriage was almost unthinkable. At the onslot of christianity however this changed drasticaly and those in power, (often the worste of us ) got the more desirable woman

 

Kharakov

Wow.
Like 'inherit the wind' . Shall we slip the book of 'kharakov' in
between 'numbers' and 'deuteronomy'


Occam

 

What's that from? what book is it from?

If you learn enough, maybe you can write it.

However, you should know that my name means shithead... I don't know how excepted that would make it among the prude ultra conservative humorless religious types who like to protray themselves in a specific light.... reading the book of Shithead.

Khara....kov...

 

i just want to note that while living in the B world would have definitely brought you back to a simpler life, that is not so black and white either. EVERYTHING is relative - at the time, ther was no knowledge of the "A" world, which is exactly how the A world came to be. the people, tired of death and decay, wanted a more efficient and materialistic world. if you had lived then, likely you would have very much wanted to live in a futuristic A world, since ther was no such thing yet and no drawbacks to look down upon. in your future ideal world, its quite possible that there will be things you didn't expect that you would want to change. while you are correct that our modern world is filled with man made corruption and material attachments, you cannot argue that progress has been made (slavery to civil rights) - we have the tools, but its a question of how we use them. every situation is relative to the circumstances and circumstances are constantly changing- that is the only one thing in this universe that doesnt change, change itslef. since, so far, we cannot go back in time, the only option is to accept where we are now, make use of what we have and in our own life try to resolve the progress of the current world with the simplicity of ancient times. rejecting everything, to me, is regressing. but then again, its your life and its all relative to your situation. in twenty years, everything will be different, whether bad or good and we will look back and say "that was better" or "that was worse" but neither will do us any good, the only option is to push forward and as occam said "create our purpose". i like the idea that whatever god is (energy, deity whatever) created us with the purpose of creating our own purpose. while everything seems random, it still fits an order and that order is CONSTANT change. have you ever seen something stop changing? have you ever seen a falling object freeze in midair? and even so, that would be a change...

 

That's interesting....

 

I've always held that the big bang and evolution were controlled somehow by some something higher, cosmic.. so I've never really understood the conflict between science and God. Couldn't it just be what we define as science is just a divine experiment? It's all one to me- the magic and the logic are just simply looking at the same thing from a different angle.

 

Exactly

Occam

 

wow - thanks for this thread - i feel as though i just had a very satisfying conversation with myself - in just reading the posts! it is hard to look at the current world and all of our problems and believe that we are - indeed - progressing - but the fact that we are looking at our society with such trepidation is proof enough to me that we at least have the ability to evolve socially - we are worried - we are afraid - and we are capable of change - so we have and we will - as we carry on asking eachother hard questions and giving answers based on truly examination of our own hearts and minds ... thanks again!!
peace all,

 

god created the universe therefore he created everything in it and evolution itself.

 

'God does play dice with the universe, and sometimes He even throws the dice where we can't see them.' Hawking
Whenever anything is created the first thing one must do is set the groundrules. For example, when 'checkers' was invented, the rules of the game, the board design, and the pieces needed to be chosen. Likewise, to create the universe, first there had to be a set of laws put in place or else there could be no order to creation. Without gravity, lightspeed, and laws of physics in place there would be total chaos. So, God or no God, the universe requires set laws in order to exist. On the other hand, it now appears that at some level, we can throw all those rules out the window. Current quantum physics theory regarding absolute time and location of subatomic particles seems to suggest that at that level anyway, these rules are ignored. It seems that it is true afterall, there is an exception to every rule.

 

Blackguard
And quantum effects cascade upwards into macro reality?
Many say they do very little of that.
The quantum world may be fluid, and may throw dice.
But how does that deflect a planet in it's orbit?
It does not.

Thus
Your laws of reality are safe.
We live in them.
And they dont seem to change at all.
[that we observe]

Occam

 

I do not feel unsafe, but my reality has less certainty I think. In our history, we see consistency in our planetary and solar cycles, but we have a mere 10 000 years at best to draw from. It is a blink of an eye to our sun, which could have many cyclic surprises we've never seen in that time. The massiveness of the sun relative to earth makes it possible that even the most minor (on a solar scale) hiccup could be catastrophic to us.
It is also my experience to have seen numerous actions and events that defy our known laws of reality. Still, I feel safe. Life is a gift, to be savoured..

 

Blackguard

Yes.
Life is THE GIFT

The only one of import.

Occam