do we have freedom?

Discussion in 'Ethics' started by culture_revolution, Apr 20, 2005.

  1. culture_revolution

    culture_revolution Member

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    i wasn't sure where to post this, so sorry if this is the wrong place...

    but, i am suppose to be writing an essay for philosophy class and i chose to wirte about how humans hate their own freedom and how this can be seen in how we enslave ourselves through sex, pride, power, religion, ideologies, school... and i need four more to complete the essay.

    i was wondering if anyone had any ideas, it would help me out a lot...

    thanks :)
     
  2. Professor Jumbo

    Professor Jumbo Mr. Smarty Pants

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    Exactly what kind of class is this, and is it highschool or college? Why do you need ten things, that should not be an important part of a philosophy essay. You must also make the assumption that all ten categories are always anethema to freedom. Anyhow, I am starting to ramble, so here are four more categories that could be included in your essay. Drugs, wage slavery, watching 8 hours of TV per day, unnecessary debt.
     
  3. Death

    Death Grim Reaper Lifetime Supporter

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    Media, Money, drugs, work, recreation, communication
     
  4. Professor Jumbo

    Professor Jumbo Mr. Smarty Pants

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    How do communication and recreation fit in there?
     
  5. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    Some people who dont have freedom will try to make others lives less freeer than their own.
     
  6. culture_revolution

    culture_revolution Member

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    it's highschool, and that is what the teacher said, we have to have ten human defecencies. he wants quality AND quantity. he's jsut mad. haha.
     
  7. Albert

    Albert Member

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    Do you mean free will? How can there be free will if God decides what we want? God can't help deciding instead of us, because he is the cause of everything, therefore of our desires too.
     
  8. michiganhippie

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    I believe that most people are wage slaves. They go to work everyday to a job they hate to make money, many times hardly making ends meet. People like this don't have complete freedom.
     
  9. jim_w

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    How can a human be denied freedom? We can refuse to use that freedom, but it can't ever be taken away for ever. A man who works all day to earn money to live isn't somehow denied the freedom to get on a 'plane and go to hawaii; he just chooses not to.

    In the real world, freedom=money - in order to be free to do what you want, you need money.
     
  10. michiganhippie

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    True, but it doesn't have to be that way.
     
  11. Jack-a-Roe

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    read the book into the wild by Jon Krakauer (not sure if that is correct spelling)....and in some cases to do what you want, you need money, but there are ways to express and experience freedom without money:)
     
  12. Fjolnirsson

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    Throughout history, time has proven that the vast majority of humans fear freedom. They might give lip service to freedom, they might even believe they want freedom, but what most people really want is to be told where to go and what to do. It makes them feel safe. Every time a culture has established a relatively free society, they vote themselves back under the rule of tyranny. The vote their freedoms away. Look at America. We have given up essential freedoms for the illusion of safety. As an example, look at comercial aircraft. Prior to (IIRC) the 70s, people were allowed to board planes directly from the tarmac. Until someone hijacked a plane. Then there were cries for "somebody to do something about it". Now we are herded like cattle into the plane. We allow government employees to grope our breasts and cause us to dress and undress at their whim. And what does this do for us? Nothing. Exactly nothing, except it gives most folks a warm fuzzy feeling that "something is being done". There are knives that can easily pass through any metal detector invented. All you need is a sharpened piece of bone. Or wood. Or plastic. Sure, it's illegal, but so is hijacking a plane. The searches don't help. The violation of our dignity doesn't help. Yet we have people taking nail clippers and knitting needles from old ladies because they might pose a threat.
    People are afraid of freedom. And, no, we don't have it. Neither does any country on this earth. America came close, for a while. But our people have failed the test, and we are now just like other countries. Depending on where you go, you will find varying degrees of freedom, and certain areas of freedom will be better represented, depending on where you go. For now, America is the best fit for me. I hope that someday, we humans will learn to break free of our chains. The chains we have forged ourselves.
     
  13. Fjolnirsson

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    There is, of course, the alternate view that each of us holds within us the keys to our own freedom. We are free to ignore certain laws, Hel, I know folks who do it. They drive without registration, and pay no taxes. But it's a hard life, staying under the radar of the state and federal government. I don't call it freedom. Constantly having the fear of retribution from the people in power. At that point, "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."
     
  14. Random Andy

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    I have to echo the suggestion of money. Use that as a heading and put wage-slavery, unnecesary debt, marketing and whatever else as sub-headings.
    Then you can use sex as another heading and put marriage (which also has something to do with money) and commitment, and you can put prostitution somewhere between sex and wage-slavery.
    Another heading: Government (which couldn't exist without money)... law (prison) and so on.
    Do it as a hyper text document.

    Money:( It seriously is the root of all evil.
     
  15. Random Andy

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    Oh, and whatever you do in the end, post it, so we can all comment on it. I love it when someone puts some thought into a post. I can never be arsed doing it for meself:)
     
  16. DeepRiverBlues

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    It has been a problem since the origins of man. No being should be allowed to rule over another.
     
  17. Sininabin

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    freedom is not about being free from distractions

    Freedom is having the right to choose how to waste our life

    Choice in what to pursue

    a life without pursuit is death
     
  18. Columbo

    Columbo Senior Member

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    Take a look into Sartre's "Freedom and Responsibility"
     
  19. Domesticated

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    Whether we have freedom or not is dependent upon our definition of freedom.

    Freedom, as I perceive it, is defined by one's internal constraints and not external ones. The way we judge our external circumstances as being controlled, or free, is dependent upon internal biases.

    No human society is free (in the external sense), because the need to maintain social cohesion among a group of people requires varying degrees of compromise of each member's whims.

    Sociopaths, in my opinion, are the only 100% free human beings because they completely lack internal restraints.
     

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