Question for anyone with knowledge of this (please don't take this out of context): Is it possible to live in the United States totally free from use of your social security number? without use of i.d.? and be able to work and sustain housing?
No, don't have the heart for that shit . Just want to see if anyone can live without the attachment of numbers, pictures, etc---free from control, I guess.
i guess thats why money is made of paper. i wasnt actually accusing you of being a terrorist, i just assumed thats what you were worried being "taken out of context"
Go live in the forest. Smokey The Bear don't give a shit about who you are... just don't smoke in the woods or you're in for a mauling.
i think it all depends on who you know.... you can get a job that pays under the table... you can probably also finds someone who as long as they get paid rent don't care about paperwork yadda yadda....
Xac: Not hardly. Hippylove: True...didn't think about that. Under the table work is hard to find anymore.
"C.L.I.T. Commander"? ew anyways.... yes, you probably could if you had someone who would pay you under the table and rented from someone who didn't need to check your past out at all. why do you ask? (since you're worrieda bout the 'context' we take it in)
I've been thinking alot about the whole Social Security thing--the fact we wont have shit left. I have been thinking about the fact the state of Indiana has to go so far as to embed GPS tracking into the magnetic striping of our licences. I have been thinking about how no matter how many taxes you pay, no matter what the government offers people for help, the government is not really 'helping' anyone so to speak. The only way I can feel satisfied helping people monetarily is if I do it myself---a gift. Taken all those above factors, I have dreamed of a life clean from any type of governmental attachment--grow my own food, trade to get what you need---just be happy with the resources that were given to us upon the birth of the world, instead of falling into these large corporate traps, having to worry about $2.24 cent a gallon gas prices, taking home less money every year because our government fails to manage money, and being a series of numbers by which anyone can randomly fuck with you out of sheer boredom. So this is why I ask this.
there is a way to sign contracts on teh dotted line with wording that voids your signing of the contract
You can always throw your S.S.card in trash, but don't expect to go to college, apply for any "normal 9-5" job, get medicaid/medicare, renew your driver's license or most other things ya want. April 15th is just another day for me....I haven't filled out IRS tax forms for a few years. But yes I got my SS# and I've worked at different places.
**from part of a search** Aside: This is what you agreed to. Courts cannot impair the obligation of your permanent irrevocable contract. It doesn't matter that the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified. It doesn't matter that the tax laws would only apply to federal employees in federal territories. It doesn't matter that wages would otherwise not be taxable. Since you volunteered to pay whatever they will demand, they can use your future labor as collateral for the national debt. 7. Those who already have a SSN must disclose it on Forms or suffer a fine. Those who do not have a SSN can file a 1040 Form without a number, and the IRS will assign a Taxpayer ID number. These numbers are assigned by the IRS Entity Section in Philadelphia, and are not Social Security Numbers, and begin with the number "9". 8. In the Legislative History of Public Law 99-514 (which is available in your local law library) in the discussion of Internal Revenue Code, Section 6109(e), shows that Congress never required religious objectors to begin using Social Security Numbers. Also see Revenue Ruling 85-61, 1985-1 CB355. 9. I have copies of letters from Social Security Officials which state: "If you do not wish your employer to use your SSN, you should request your employer to enter the phrase "religious objector" in the space provided for a SSN when your employer reports your wages and taxes." (dated June 6, 1981, signed by the Commissioner himself) "you should request present and future employers to enter the phrase, "religious objector" in the space provided for a social security number when they report your wages and taxes. You may show this letter to your employer(s) to show that your request is valid." (Aug 23 1979) By 1986, this advice was changed to: "Workers who do not wish to use their Social Security numbers for religious or other reasons should get in touch with the Internal Revenue Service office in their area to explain their position and receive advice on how to proceed. We do not have the authority to require an employer to provide or deny employment or services to anyone who refuses to disclose his or her number. This is a matter between the individual and the employer." "To our knowledge, there is no law which states employment can be denied if the employee does not have a Social Security Number." (dated Sep 23 1988) "There is no Social Security law requiring a U.S. citizen to have an SSN to live or work in the United States." (dated Jul 19, 1993)
I think it's be hard... you're required to have a Social Security # to work... if you don't wanna work, you're required to have a driver's liscence to drive, a passport do travel.. but like someone said before, if you go live in the forest and never leave, I guess you'd be fine without papers.
"you should request present and future employers to enter the phrase, "religious objector" in the space provided for a social security number when they report your wages and taxes. You may show this letter to your employer(s) to show that your request is valid." (Aug 23 1979) By 1986, this advice was changed to: "Workers who do not wish to use their Social Security numbers for religious or other reasons should get in touch with the Internal Revenue Service office in their area to explain their position and receive advice on how to proceed. We do not have the authority to require an employer to provide or deny employment or services to anyone who refuses to disclose his or her number. This is a matter between the individual and the employer." "To our knowledge, there is no law which states employment can be denied if the employee does not have a Social Security Number." (dated Sep 23 1988) "There is no Social Security law requiring a U.S. citizen to have an SSN to live or work in the United States." (dated Jul 19, 1993)
