Angry Soldiers Mom Camps At Crawford-

Go mom!-Her son was killed in Iraq and Bush will not even talk to her -she is sleeping in a tent down the road from the Bush mansion-it is 100 degrees in the shade-more people are showing up to support her and stop this war-I think it would be great if about half the country showed up there to camp out and support her-Then he would stop to talk rather then drive on by and leave this poor woman to suffer in the heat-that is one great lady and if I was able; I would head down there--time to end this mess--how many more sons and daughters do we lose?

 

I'm sure Texas will pass some law making this illegal once it gets to be too popular.

Bush is in Texas most of the time anyway, so protestors should just head there instead of DC.

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She did speak with the president a while back.. then changed her POV..

She would not be happy with ANY response she recieved now.. Even her husband thinks she has gone 'too far' .. I think she is a little strange personaly.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8941525/site/newsweek/

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A Tent in this heat, ? That person is very aggrieved? Hope she doesn't dehydrate!

 

---I just saw on the news a;ot of people are starting to show up in Crawford Tex. to support this lady-Other parents of kids killed in Iraq are there to ask Bush the same thing-Why are we really over there and was the death of their loved one worth it?--It's the same question asked in the 60s about Viet Nam-The voices grew louder until the question could no longer be ignored-the answer then was the same as now-there is none!-When the voices of opposition grow to a roar; then Bush will answer WHY?--We as a nation definately have enemys out there; but it is not the entire country of Iraq-lets focus on the real terrorists and not the whole population that is inadvertantley getting caught up in this mess--no excuse for "collateral damage"

 

Let's see - her son enlists, and goes away to fight. Go figure!

 

A neighbor to Bush shot off his gun a couple times into the air and scared the heck out of everyone. He's upset about people on the perimeter of his property. One of the secret service people scrambled to find out who fired the shots.

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Yeah -- I'm opposed to the war, of course, but to that lady who wants to know why her son was killed, all I can say is -- it was because he was in the Army. That's the deal when you join you the Army -- you do it understanding that your job is to kill people and the risk you take is that one of them might kill you. What was her son doing as a paid killer if she's so much against it?

 

so her son woke up one morning and conciously make the decision to spend a good part of his life learning to, and maybe possibly doing, the act of most efficiently killing people...

and now he's been killed himself and his mom can't handle it...

... although i dare say she's still collecting benefits from the army on his behalf...

.... she gave birth to a person who had an inherent desire to kill...but he was killed by someone who had more skill...now mommy is blaming everyone but her bloodthirsty son

...boo fucking hoo....

 

I don't think it is fair say to say he had a 'inherent desire to kill' and was 'blood thirsty' just because he was in the army.. He knew it involved that [possibility of taking anothers life or risking his own] and was trained to do so.. but i would imagine he would have tried his best not too kill any one if he could.. Why are you demonising this person ? [though i probably can imagine why].

 

As far as this boy soldier wanting to go kill people; we don't know what his reason for joining was. There are alot of people in the military that joined in peacetime-who could predict 911?-There are alot of National Gaurd troops over there. The gaurd was definately not supposed to be sent over; only as a last resort-Many young people join the service during peacetime to get a free education to better themselves-not to kill people-maybe in Viet Nam there were some people that joined for that reason-At 17 or 18 army recruters can be real persuasive and at that age people are still tryin to figure out who they are-or where there going--Bottom line this mother is in great pain and so are many others--I have complete admiration and respect for this woman-it's good to see more people showing up out in that scorchin hot wastland called Texass--and the voices grow louder!

 

How stupid do you have to be to not realise that enlisting in an armed force might not lead to warfare? What, did you assume it was like boy scouts but you got paid?

That being said I was at the vigil yesterday. This crap's gotta end.

 

Demonising? hmmm....I didn't say he had an "inherent desire to kill" i said he had a desire to spend a part of his life learning the most effective way of killing, he knew it would be part of his training. He also was obviously willing to kill. Is that demoizing? Proabably.


And no, he wouldn't do his best not to kill someone....he would follow orders, as all soldiers do....the choice of wether to kill or not isn't his to make. Unless he is happy in military jail.

Now please, share your thoughts on why I've turned a soldier into a maligned man

 

So-what's the point-his reason for joining was his own-he may have believed Bush when he said there were WMD-over there -most Americans bought that bs-he may have figured he was going there to save America from another 9/11--which would be -in my book; an excellent reason to kill or be killed--whatever his reason was-who are we to judge a person who died in the line of duty?--If he had made it back; I would have no problem thanking him for defending this country against terrorists-be it BinLaden or Joe Shmo-anyone wanting to blow up my country is an enemy--

 

This is about a woman whose child has been killed. No parent should have to bury their child. If this is what gets her through her grief-let her. She's trying to find answers. I for one, support her and joined a candlelighting last night for her.

 

she gave birth to a person who had an inherent desire to kill...but he was killed by someone who had more skill...now

 

Interesting comments...
I agree with both sides--I do admire Cindy for what she is doing--I do believe it is important to take risks for "peace"...I see and am witnessing that she has become a rallying point for protest..no matter the moral judgements of her son who was killed.

You put on a military uniform and are issued a weapon--no matter Guard or Regular Military or Mercenary or Survivalist/Libertarian....you are prepared to KILL..you are agreeing to add Karma-not only on yourself but the planet.

Please--is this country's youth so "dumbed down" by video games, gratuitous violence on tv, the internet and in thier own society..that "joining" up doesn't just mean--"helping flood victims?"
Please--don't they read history anymore...Like about the Vietnam War?
Please! don't they yet know that the leader of this country and all of the armed forces is an iliterate "chickenhawk"? leaving the war up to his generals..cuz he hasn't a clue? Dangerous!!

What's awful is that most of the US military and Guard are volunteers and most of the other army's of the world are mandatory service-- where you have no choice to train to kill, defend, protect and to serve.

I think my point here is that it is totally sad about Cindy's son and the other sons and daughters who "consciously" decided to join an institution of killing
for patriotic or nationalistic beliefs of their PARENTS--who keep electing control-freak, illiterate, quasi Christian barbarian leaders with no true moral or spiritual imperatives.

READ 1984--it's all in there...its maddness. If Cindy has changed her views about violence and killing now--good --that's just one more..let her redneck dufous husband divorce her--she will be better off. In fact it was probably her husband that pressured their son into joining in the first place...mine tried in 1969..he failed...told me I was a "queer" for not joining. Where was my Dad raised? In Texas--of course. He was a top turret gunner in a B-17 over Germany. Yep they got Hitler who caused 20 milion deaths on the planet.
We got Saddam--who has been attributed to 100's of thousands of deaths in his own country--why didn't the Iraqi people depose Saddam? These are people who are going to set up a democracy? Please! These are people "dumb-downed" by fundamentalist religious leaders...sound familiar? Look in our own backyard!!!
We are not there to establish "democracy" we are there to establish "capitalism".
Think about it--try to get five or six bedouin tribes to agree on just one thing...forget it. Doesn't work in Afghanistan either..and it didn't work on the plains of the west with Native Americn tribes either...

Get the fuck (sorry ladies) out of Iraq and STOP WAR! make John Lennon's death mean something and milions others that have worked for peace in their lifetimes.

And stop rising gas prices to support George's "illegal" war..I believe it's probably difficult for most blue-collar minimum wage workers to NOW pay 1/3 of their check on gas to get to work. It's maddness--it's chaos"

"Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man."
Mohandas K. Gandhi

I know I went in a lot of directions..Peace, Love and Unity is the answer..and if Cindy can rally these qualities in humans..bless her!!

Peace
LionHeart

Here's a photo of a snappy little army--"Hammas"--gee I wonder if they knew that they may have to kill someone when they joined? Whaaaa?

 

I would go and re-read your post...as for 'he wouldn't do his best not to kill someone' of course a given 'target' would be defined ... i was talking about his willingness to shoot anyone he met and the fact that he would choose not too rampantly shoot anything that he suited.

 

Hi Folks,
You guys are cool--good questions--good logic.
Here "rally" to this.
Peace
LionHeart