question for the Christian haters

god god god...god this, god that....

I say god damn. That's what I say.

From this day forward any mention of any unproven entity will be regarded as someone saying :

uahsdasfhdslfkabvobasdvlasdfbgildfygadfigkl (aka nonsense).

-LIBERTINE

 

This from "The Real Crusades" (sorry, couldn't copy the link).

Misconceptions about the Crusades are all too common. The Crusades are generally portrayed as a series of holy wars against Islam led by power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics. They are supposed to have been the epitome of self-righteousness and intolerance, a black stain on the history of the Catholic Church in particular and Western civilization in general. A breed of proto-imperialists, the Crusaders introduced Western aggression to the peaceful Middle East and then deformed the enlightened Muslim culture, leaving it in ruins. For variations on this theme, one need not look far. See, for example, Steven Runciman's famous three-volume epic, History of the Crusades, or the BBC/A&E documentary, The Crusades, hosted by Terry Jones. Both are terrible history yet wonderfully entertaining.

So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

Understand the crusaders

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

 

Sounds like a bunch of mad religious quacks.

Yep, that's what it was.

 

I love tequilla!!!

 

It's pretty much impossible to make dististinctions between poiltical/religious/ and economic motivations for anything during that period in western civilization.

The same entities and institutions were in charge of all of the above.

 

EVERYTHING.

 

You may have refuted them in your own head. It is a fact that religions are also refered to as FAITHS. Get out your dictionary again. It does not say anything about proof. I am not a quantum physicist myself, but I've heard that they are nearly ready prove the existance of a spiritual realm and thereupon possibly God Himself. So, if it is that kind of proof you are looking for, I suggest that you look one of them up. If you are able to accept was is, than hear this. Every culture around the world, for thousands upon thousands of years has had a belief in God. And for thousands upon thousands of years, it just could not be proven with irrefutable proof in our realm. That does not mean, that it isn't real. Some used to think earth was flat and some used to think that the sun revolved around the earth. These things were proven not to be so. Take a real open minded look, and thorough read of my website. For me personally, this is among the best proof ever.

I take it back. I could not wait until after the nukes(this destiny is not set in stone, but it could be) to REALLY make my point. One of us or both of us might not be around.

By the way my dictionary is Random House Webster's School & Office Dictionary published in 1999.

 

Me, I'd rather have proof than "faith". But, that's me.

I seem to put a lot of stock in evidence.

 

The crusades were then still an offensive, even if it was in some sort of self-defense, and were still called under the name of God. Hell, if it's not christianity, then it's the Islam at fault... still a religion.

 

yes I totally agree with you.. maybe we can catch "god" in action.. doing all his magical stuff... watch him in his workings.. watch him maybe stick someones head on their shoulders or maybe perhaps make a mountain... haaa haaaaa!!!! That would be a sight to see.. lol.. I really don't believe in God. I would rather have proof then faith as well.

 

If your there "God" then show yourself! *shines a flashlight*

 

Be careful what you ask/look for? You might just get an unexpected "blinding" result!!

 

The historic crusades were just plain BAD man!!! I crusade in peace, love and acceptance!

 

Everything you see hear and look at is me.

 

HAAAhaaa! I'm sure I won't get what I asked for. lol. Is your god really that bright!?

 

haaa haaaa! wow! *a mezmerizing gaze* who knew? lol I never knew it was you!? It was your from the very beginning wasn't it? haha

 

Yes. "Blinding" in more ways than you could currently imagine.

 

Why do you think you wouldn't get what you ask for? Unless, that is, you are asking with a closed mind.

 

i just have my doubts that all. if their was a "god" don;t you think he would have shown himself by now?? if he has then can you tell me exactly what he looks like? also, people say he made everything... is their really any proof at all?? I mean did you see with your own eyes him in his workings?? did he wave a stick around and use it as some magic wand?? are you really going to believe some man-made bible?? their are millions of bibles: catholic bibles, mormon bibles, jehova witness bibles etc, so how do you know YOUR bible is telling the truth?? How do you know that? I'm sorry is your bible THEE bible?? I'm not speaking with a closed mind I'm just questioning.

 

we've already been over that. my saying i'm taking a shit in the name of the lord doesn't make it so.