question for the Christian haters

why not consider them a society? they're a group of people with a governing set of basic rules and customs. the rest is just geography.

and dealing with our greater society's diversity includes dealing with those crazy christians.

 

you don't HAVE TO listen to christians "spreading the word," no more than you HAVE TO submit to the materialistic american dream. but your desire to shut them up is definitely infringing upon their own basic freedoms. society would continue without christianity, it did before, but people will just come up with some other thing to follow. it's the nature of the beast.

 

Indeed it does. However, this thread is dealing with Christian "haters" (aka anyone who disagrees with it).

I have already said that I didn't give a rat's ass what you do in your own home and on your own time, but when Christians try to force their "morality" on me through legislation, and when they try to wrap the whole world up in netherworld bullshit and cry "I'm a victim!"...that is when I do give a rat's ass.

 

KC, you are misrepresenting my viewpoint. Never have I tried to "shut them up". I don't believe in censorship. I don't coerce anyone, nor do I threaten them with nether-threats or any other kind....unlike *ahem* CHRISTIANITY!

My goal is to QUESTION & CHALLENGE and find either truth or bullshit.

 

ah, i see, i was confused by the statement "Why do we need to consider a religion as a society, there is no country that is strictly a "Christian society"."

 

A society includes religion, but when I hear "society" I think the nation or even world as a whole...so that's where we miscommunicated.

 

It might appear to some people that you are being a hippocrite here. You say that we should what we want as long as it does not infringe on anyone else doing what they want. Yet, you say we should do away with Christianity just because you don't believe or understand its mumbo jumbo. How does Christianity infringed on your "mumbo jumbo"?

I am a Christian, and has interacting with me or my lifestyle infringed on yours?

According to your motto you shouldn't have a problem with Christianity then and you should just accept it in society.

As far as "Conversions" how does a christian's mission infringe on your persuit of doing what you want?

 

gotcha. i'm dealing in term sof social groups. like the fraternal society of elks or whatnot.

 

Ha ha...almost pulled it off...but not quite.

Anyone should as long as they don't infringe upon someone else's right. I don't care if you worship Jesus naked in a garden, my friend. However, my goal is to respect your right to your belief, but challenge assumptions of all forms of authority (including religion).

As far as "Conversions" how does a christian's mission infringe on your persuit of doing what you want?[/QUOTE]

Frankly, as long as you don't try to wrap the world in your Christianity, I'm fine, but Christianity IS built upon CONVERSIONS, thus, you can't sit back and claim it's all yours and be a true follower of the Jesus religion.

Secondly, conversions have a lot to do with it. Because religion doesn't allow for progress...it is limited to their Holy Books, Holy Leaders, etc.

Religion has retarded progress for centuries. Remember the supression of science until the ENLIGHTENMENT?

Never have I said "do away with it", what I stated was that we could "do without it".

 

*ROFL*....

 

What is wrong with trying "to wrap the world in your Christianity"?

If you don't like it you don't have to bite. True spirituality and religion is based on faith, something that is developed by first seeking a calling. This takes time. How can one Christian expect to convert an atheist overnight?

As far as saying "your Christianity". I don't think you really know much about "my Christianity" and from what I told you about "my Christianity" the only major problem that you appear to have with it is its mission for conversions. I don't believe in "conversions" as it appears you percieve them. I believe in living my life as the best Christian I can be, and attesting to how I feel my life and happiness has beneffited from it. My mission is by example. If you have questions about my life as a Christian and how I interpret Jesus and what my beliefs are I am happy to answer your questions, but that is as far as I go regarding "conversions". The ultimate choice is yours.

That being said, do you still have a problem with my "mission" and or how I go about "conversions"???

Oh, and another thing. I have no problem being friends with atheists (or other religions for that matter). One of my best friends is a Jew!!! I accept them as long as they accept me.

I would also like to know if you has as much a problem with other religions as you do with Christianity? Cause if you thought there is a lot of mumbo jumbo here, you aint seen nothin. Ever take a look at the Hindu Gods?

 

The God(s) that God created to explain God's existence to another culture?

 

As I have already dealt with these arguments in prior posts and threads, it is redundant to go through them again.

However, if you'd have read, you'll see that my problem is not with just Christianity but any belief system (religion) based on converting people to believe in spooks and unproven netherworlds when there is no basis for it and we can do good without the unnecessary silliness of invisible men in the sky.

 

Well then, you should be very afraid so that I don't wave my magic wand and convert you to a Christian!!!

 

This is still not addressing the issue. Crimes of pasion would exist, sure... but then there would be no justification. With justification, people are more inclined to performe them. It is human nature.


Feelingroovy,

Christianity justified wars, murder, rampage, etc, etc, etc... it is all in History. "In the name of God I kill thou!".

 

LOL... I like you, man.

But, that's not going to happen and unless you believe in magic.

 

Yet you are fully aware that your god will throw them into hell for eternity....does this not seem strange to you?

 

Why not? You'll baptise a child before it is able to make an informed decision for itself, won't you?

 

But are the "sins" of christianity truly sins of society does not see them as sins? Do you not think that sins are just a metaphorical lesson used to make people strive for the best. No person alive can stay true to the commandmends. If the sins directly contradict human nature, then how can one base his life on trying not to sin?

Also, mass murderers could have also repented and tried to better themselves, and therefore were "forgiven".

 

Well, that is a good question. Like I said, for me the best I can do is live my life openly as a christian and attest to what it has done for me. I do not try to force this on someone, but I am just there if they choose to seek advice, guidance, or ask guestions. I also listen to their beliefs and, in fact, can draw many parrallels. Beyond that I don't concern myself what will happen to their souls after death. That is not my decision anyway.

ps. how do you know so much about my God?