The oversexualization of breasts.

Can't you read? I explained why I'm not even going to bother refuting her argument.

 

His argument is that he doesn't want to believe, so it must be false. Therefore he doesn't want to argue it. And has no argument.

 

Lunar, I never said that those cultures were less intellegent than ours.

I can't remember the names of the cultures or tribes. I typically forget most of their names about two weeks after I write my essays on them. Sad I know. Probably why I can't make a 4.0. lol


I find posting any more of my ideas pointless because it seems no one will change their opinions anyway. I know I probably won't, I'm too mad that some keep saying I mean one thing when I don't. The topic of breasts is not one I will keep fighting over.

-CB

 

as somoene else pointed out earlier, it would be nice to know what the 13 societies are. On a hunch, i think they would be 13 "industrialized nations."

Who cares if women can go topless in tanzania(or some other african country), when they also have their genetalia mutilated? Hrmm, is that a societal standard you women want to accept in this country? Furthermore, i would wager that the countries that see breasts sexually give women the most rights. Maybe it can be said that topless women is a standard of supreme patriarchal societies, not of more "equal" nations.

 

Well, that was me who asked, and to be honest, I made a similar comment a week or so back~~it would seem to me that the societies that don't sexualize the breast are strongly patriarchal, view women as inferior and devious, and fear female sexuality. Such as in the Middle East. MS knows that her argument is falacious and is therefore avoiding the issue.

 

Oh, I don't want to be, is it? This has nothing to do with beliefs, rather whether MS has credibility, and how valid her proof is. Unfortunately, she has no credibility, and has yet to provide us with proof. If she had credibility, and had undeniable proof to support her argument, then I'd take what she says into consideration. Believing her solely because she is a "lactation consultant" and therefore in your eyes "an expert" is ridiculous. It's akin to considering bookkeepers and chartered accountants to be one and the same.

As for me not wanting to argue the matter, I've been waiting for a week for MS to cough up her proof, but she seems to have made herself scarce all of a sudden.

 

Alright i think i have a pretty profound insight into the male phsyche, maybe I'm just a jerk... Its probably the same thing. I think breats are sexualized just the right amount, so much, but not out of preportion. (he he)
Why are breasts sexualized? Cause they is hot... their shaply and smooth and soft... I'm probably getting off topic, but it seems kinda obvious that something that you keep outta sight would be titillating. (ha) Plus the fact that breasts display fertility which on a baser level accounts for what a lot of attraction is.
I kinda understand where your comming from with the oversexulization thing though. And to all the women who said that breasts should be out in the open... my email address is covertbannonymous@yahoo.com

 

I find this debate has lost it's point, and no minds are being changed here. I just have one last thing to say.


Dh and I find the opposite sex's chests equally attractive. This is saying something, as my husband is a "breast man." Now, when thinking about this the other day I thought to myself "I must just be more easily turned on than most women, lucky me!" Than I started asking around. I found I am not alone. Now, none of us have the desire to just jump every well built topless man that walks by, but we do enjoy driving by work sites where there are good looking topless guys!
When talking with my husband about this, we came to the conclusion that the men and women that we know are equally turned on by a topless members of opposite sex, but that women tend not to speak up about it, and just think those private thoughts to themselve, where men tend to be more open about it.

 

Nothing I say can make Mr Jimaan beleive anything I say. I know what I speak, he makes ridiculous attacks on my character and has no proof for his OWN agendas.

The study did not list the names of the societies. It makes no difference to me if people like jimaan don't beleive me. People who matter do. I, and my work, MAKE a difference in people's lives and my life and my lifework have VALIDITY. Can't say that for some.....

(and no, I didn't "suddenly make myself scarce", due to this discussion, jim, MY GOD, you are a self absorbed! I was almost hospitlized with a Status Migraine, and was very ill. Jesus, you really think my absense was due to YOU? YOU and this discussion haven't even crossed my mind since the last time I posted a week or so ago. Cripes, You have a undeserved sense of self importance. )

I am completely done with this discussion. Hmm the IGNORE function is starting to look pretty good about now........:$

 

Actually, jimaan has made *some* incredibly well thought out comments on this thread. Yes, some are clearly antagonistic, and I haven't read everything but what he has said has made me think about things I hadn't considered before.

Yes, it is jiimaan, and he is really very strange, but not absolutely everything he has to say is bullshit.

He's right that some people just state opinions as if they are facts and never back them up with a logical argument. People don't know how to create logical arguments anymore, as logic is not formally taught in schools. Neither is spelling, grammar, or rhetoric for that matter. He does it too, and that's why everyone should naturally assume what the other says is bullshit until they provide facts or create a logical argument. The sophistry you read on this forum, (from people in their 30's and 40's), is astounding and disturbing. And he is treated with so much venom because he is a male, because I'm as big a **** (maybe), and people somehow tolerate me.

 

i simply enjoy having jimaan here to antagonize and disagree. it's a handy role to have, to keep everyone from just patting each other on the back and forcing them to come up with better arguments and facts. keep up the good work. it also helps that when people are getting pissed off all the time they start being able to deal with anger through practice.

 

Don't be so negative. You could easily make me believe what you say by just being credible. It's not all that difficult, so why not give it a try?

Oh, now the study doesn't list the societies, does it? Seeing that you never said this before dispite my umpteen requests that you provide the names of these societies, one really has to wonder...

So in essence, you know you're ignorant, but hell what does that matter when you make a difference in people's lives. What kind of an excuse is that? Can't you make a difference in people's lives and know what you're talking about?

Yeah, well, considering your record of fabrication and distorting the truth, who knows what you were really up to. So as much as I would like to believe that you were "very ill", I just can't. Sorry.

Fine by me. But by doing so you're only underscoring the fact that you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

What about fat guys? They oughta cover up too- even more so.

 

It's so much easier poking holes in another person's argument than formulating your own, which is what he does most of the time. But it's good, because at least he stops people from believing their own bullshit. Myself included.

 

sadeyed, i agree. kinda the whole point of having such a person around. we wouldn't want everyone just patting each other on the back for an argument that SOUNDS good but isn't SOUND.

 

And also have their genitals, prove it. They do not mutilate genitals in tribal communities in Tanzania. Your mistaking female genital mutilation in the ignorant arab countries.
Alot of tribal cultures have more respect for women than they do here in America. Get your facts straight before you try to prove your point.

 

thats interesting..

Fighting FGM in court



‘CIRCUMCISION’: An ancient tradition is still mutilating women in Tanzania. But now the first cases on the unlawful practice of female genital mutilation is brought to court

By Tina Loevbom Petersen

They were 13 and 14 years old when they tried to escape mutilation. The three Maasai girls even asked a village priest for assistance. After reconciliation at the police station the girls returned to their homes.

But that was the worst place, they could be sent. According to the girls their father forced them through a painful genital mutilation (FGM – or so-called ‘circumcision’).

The case of the three Maasai girls was taken to court early 2002 by the Legal and Human Rights Centre (LHRC). The Centre assisted Pastor Zakayo Kitungo who is accusing the father of three Maasai girls of having carried out FGM on the girls between August and October 1999.

20th August this year the case was up for judgement in Morogoro District. The father was acquitted. But still LHRC regards this case as a victory when it comes to debate, knowledge and rising awareness on FGM – not least in the home community of the accused father where it is now widely known, that parents forcing their daughters to undergo FGM might end up in court.



No support for victims

LHRC carried out a major research on FGM in Tanzania a few years ago. In the late 1999 the Centre was approached by some people, who reported an incidence of three girls who were mutilated forcefully in Morogoro.

The case is said to have started when the girls asked a local village priest for help. The priest interviewed the girls who claimed they had run away from home, because their father was forcing them to undergo genital mutilation. The priest reported the issue to the police, and the parties were reconciled.

However the girls allegedly did undergo the operation after returning to their home. The girls were told to have contacted the police for protection, but it didn’t help them. On the basis of investigations carried out later the issue was taken to court last year through a private prosecution.

It is not the first case of FGM brought before the Legal and Human Rights Centre. Research throughout Tanzania shows that FGM is still prevalent and strong in many areas, and that the victims don’t always get any support from either police or other local authorities.

In Tanzania FGM is a practise deeply rooted in tradition and cultural identity, and the practise is often supported by the elders of the community. The practise is also kept alive because of lack of education for many girls.

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Facts about FGM

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) as "comprising all procedures involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs whether for cultural or other non therapeutic reasons. The procedures are irreversible and their effects last a lifetime". FGM is said to be a traditional practise – a so called ‘circumcision’ - which is deeply rooted in a society practising it. It is harmful and has serious health consequences for girls and women. It is estimated that 130 million girls and women have undergone some form of FGM and that each year an additional of two million girls are at risk. Most of these come from African countries and a few countries in the Middle East and Asia.

In Tanzania it is estimated that 18% of women are mutilated. Almost all regions in Tanzania has cases of FGM but it is mostly practised on eights regions, namely Arusha, Mara, Dodoma, Singida, Kilimanjaro, Morogoro, Iringa and Mtwara.

tlp.


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http://tanzania.ms.dk/newsletter/visartikel.asp?id=271


you can say you're sorry whenever

 

Looks like there are more ignorant people around than you know--female genital mutilation does tend to occur in Moslem areas of Africa, (Sudan and Somalia, and across to West Africa) but Arabs don't do it, and people with religions other than Islam sometimes do do it. In fact, Arabs in Saudi Arabia, who think of themselves as the most perfect Moslems, don't see any reason for it at all. And by western standards, they aren't feminists by any stretch of the imagination. It seems pretty likely that FGM arrived in Africa before Islam did.

Now, if you can spare some concern for MALE genital mutilation, those ignorant Arabs (and other Moslems), and the equally ignorant Jews, persist in doing it. Dumb Semites.