I am delighted from the Bulgarion revolutionist VASIL LEVSKI. He lived in XIX century and he died for the liberation of the Bulgarian people from the yoke of the Turkish empire. I believe he is among the most heroic and worthy men in the human history.
leonidas of sparta solon of athens brian boru george washington thomas jefferson sam&john adams ben franklin teddy roosevelt michael collins mlk jr malcom x
The indigenous nations of the Americas. The 'Indians' have been suffering oppression, theft of millions of acres of land, active attempts at replacement of their culture by ours, an actual ban on performing any of their traditions, deportations, millions of deaths from imported diseases, and the annihilation (approved by the US and Canadian governments) of complete tribes, including women and children, at the hands of the Europeans for hundreds of years. This continued well into the twentieth century. Even now the average life duration of the indigenous people is 20 years lower than that of anglosaxons. They have a 500 (five hundred) percent greater chance to die of diabetes, and for most other illnesses this chance lies at fifty to two hundred percent. But, and that's heroism, they have never truly given up their beliefs, their pride, their hope, no matter how hard and how cruelly the white invaders tried to break it. Go fuck your founding fathers.
Ah, yes. That's lovely...... There have been acts of barbarism, deceit and treachery from nearly every culture throughout history. To single one particular group of men out as being responsible for 200 years of lies and deceit strikes me as a bit far reaching. The indigenous people of the Americas, in general, have been given a raw deal, that's certain. However, they were quite capable of their own atrocities against the white man, as well as their own people. It's true that the government of this country has strayed far from the ideals set forth by the fathers, and in fact, the Republic is uttering its last gasps, I'm fairly certain. However, this world would be a far different(and I believe, worse) place, without the ideas and innovations brought forth by the American people. Hmm, not at all what I started out to say, as usual. Shouldn't have strayed so far from the topic at hand. Well, back on topic. Heroes. The native people who stood and were massacred at Wounded Knee.
I think a point to be taken from hailtothekings post is that, IMHO anyway, heroes are less likely to be found in so-called leaders like jefferson, Havel, or even MLK, etc, then they are humble unnamed people who have taken the brunt of the brutality dished out by the ruling class and still managed to raise familys, grow the worlds food, build the peoples houses, did their ditches, etc. People who live humble lives of integrity, teach their children right livelihood and all the while support the rest of us on their backs, those are heroes. Not to dispute all the usual lefty heroes, but for me, I am not aspiring to the level of public persona that Che, MLK, Franklin, etc have reached. They are a wealth of lessons for people in that line of work, but for me a hero is someone who faces similar challenges to my own and provides a stellar example for me that I can personally benefit from
Yeh, that's very true. The real founders of any civilization are the slaves, the workers. And any organization is built upon its rank and file members. However an individual can be a major factor in an event, he/she cannot though be the subjective factor.
a few things... first i am not anglo saxon, my ancestory is mostly celtic with some german/french/dutch. and i am in no way decended from angles jutes saxons or any other germanic invaders of britan. second, the founding fathers were incredible men with great intelligence, strength and idealism. while the country they founded has committed countless crimes (just like all governments do) the ideals upon which they founded that country were good.
Sorry, when the "white man" was oppressing the "indians", my ancestors were watching their culture die at the hands of the english, and sadly watched their ancient ways become outlawed and demonized. Our dress, our language and our ways were all made criminal by the English, and the fall of the clan system forced thousands and thousands into diaspora to America and Australia. So don't point at me when you defend the poor peaceful tree-hugging indian, because the argument is cliche and is straight out of the "things the bad white man has done" book. It was the same people who fucked the Scots, the Irish, the Aboriginal Australians, and the Native Americans, you can blame the Spanish, the English and the French, oddly, the people who were most affected by the Romans, another culture killing monster.
HHHmmmmm i would definetly have to say John Lennon! He was awesome! and im sorry if john lennon wasn't under the catagory of history....but he is my hero!
