One object can exist simultaneously in ...

When you see an object you know that it is there because you see it, but when you're not looking at it how can you know it's there? One object can exist simultaneously in an infinit number of different paralel instances and at the moment you look at it, it pops in to that one place you know it must be. As odd as that sounds there is no way you can proove to yourself that an object is there when you can't see, hear, smell or touch it. Think and let me know what you think!

 

What is not in my view, may be in the view of someone else.

Imagine sitting back to back with someone else. You feel the other person, so they are there. They see things, so those things are where they are. You see things, so those things are where they are. Extend this and an object's ability to be in many locations is severly limited.

Or it may be that reality is indipendant of our perception of it. Things may be where they are whether we see them or not.

 

You've touched upon a very interesting subject that I have thought about. I came across a concept in Physics called "Schroedinger's cat". I will try to simplify his scenario as much a possible: A cat is put inside of a completely sealed container. Inside the container is a radioactive element that has a 50% chance of decay. If it decays , radiation is produced, and a Geiger counter detects the radiation. The Geiger counter is setup so that if it does detect radiation, then it activates a hammer which strikes a vial of acid, which would inturn, kill the cat. Basically, the cat as a 50% chance of survival, and no one can see whether or not it is dead. Shroedinger hypothesized that the cat would be both alive and dead because no one could no whether or not it was alive or dead. The thing I have a problem with is time (and fate). Inside the container the cat is either alive or dead, and if you were to open the container, the cat would be either alive or dead. If you went back in time, after the experiment had been executed, but before the revelation as to the fate of the cat, the result would still be the same. I find similar situations in every day instances.

One example is chance: A person holds a complete deck of cards. Theoretically, a person has a 1/4 chance of pulling a card containing the spades. But there is a problem with this. If I shuffle a deck of cards, and pull a card, let's say a 4 of hearts, and went back in time just after i suffled, but before I pulled, I would still get the same card. If fact, it would be a 100% chance to pull a 4 of hearts.
I find this topic to be very interesting, and thank you for humoring me.

 

Schroedinger's Cat is an artifact of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Loosley this Priciple is the recognition that the notion of position is different when we work on the sub-atomic scale. In the world we live in we can think of something having a fixed position. That is not the way that sub-atomic stuff works.

However, fixed postition is not a wrong notion, it is just not applicable on a very small scale. (Kind of like "color" can't describe a thought.)

 

This sentence is in Spanish when you aren't reading it

 

well the whole thing became something else... nevva mind...

 

shoelinger was trieing to explain that you cant realy know anything happens or didnt happen untill it is observed, physics 101.
am i dreaming you , or are you dreaming me
the odds of pulling the four of hearts is exactly the same every time you shuffle the deck, even if you have already pulled it three consecutive times, damn i hate odds,

 

Use a mirror, or take a picture. It's proof, that the object is there, even though there is no direct human sensory organ to validate it's existence.

If you want to get overly technical, you are not actually looking at the object in a picture or mirror. You are looking at the product of it's feature.

 

the camera has no conscience so it sees whatever you belive to be there, as for the mirror... it just shows you the object you are looking at, it doesn't matter how you see it (direct or in the mirror) you are still loking at the object.
You got it all wrong! what i was trying to say it's that our world in the way we see it it's just a hologram of what our mind creates, maybe it's my fault that you didn't understant what i am saying... i am sory but my english is not at that kinda level to allow me to perfeclty explain what i want to say...
in a few words : if you hit a rock with your hand it hurts, so you say it's real, but the fact that you feel that pain it's just another reaction of the brain... it's just a feeling created by your brain and mind so that's why i say that what you see as real is just real because your brain tell's you it is.

 

Wow. How very deep. I would respond intelligently, but your stupid bloody six-inch sig image has pissed me off so much I'm going to have to go and beat a dog. When I get back, I'll post with informations.

 

happy with the new picture? now let me see that intelligent mind of yours

 

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That ones only slightly shorter! Jesus! I remember it used to be a popular joke on the 'net a few years ago to say newbies should have to pass a 'driving test' before being allowed 'net connexions - things like huge egomanical sigs and typing in all caps! It was funny then, but now it's just true. :-/

 

Fuck you and stop finding lame excuses, you braged with an inteligent answer so post it or fuck off
Thank You!

 

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Do you have any idea how annoying huge sigs like that are? Think about it for a second.

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You're right of course - there's no way that we can be sure that any of these things 'really' exist, because in theory there could be some evil scientist sitting in a lab with a big machine, sending these fake signals to your brain. Rene Descartes thought along similar lines, but he talked about an evil daemon that (hypothetically, of course!) introduces fake physical stimulii to your consciousness. What, then, can we be sure of? At first sight, he finds that we can't be sure of anything - it could all be produced by the daemon. But (and this is the realization for which we remember him) he can know one thing - cogito ergo sum. Whatever else one doubts, one cannot escape the fact of one's own thoughts. Therefore each of us, individually, can be sure that he exists. Descartes then proceded to show that mathematics can be derived from such basic axioms, that it can also be held to be in some sense 'true'. He also derives a proof of God's existence, but that fails on trivial grounds.

What is the consequence of this new knowledge (or rather, new ignorance!)? It depends who you ask! Most would agree that if you can't be sure whether that rock is real or not, then you certainly can't be sure that your religion is right, or that your moral view on X isn't just a delusion. This leads directly to moral relativism, which is (imho) one of the major ideas that define our times.

 

His sig was always fine. get a computer with a higher resolution than 640X480. Yeah, thats just it, it's all in your head. We are the only ones capable of thinking such things on a complicated or supernatural theory.

 

You can hardly talk; yours isn't much smaller!

It's just bad manners - why should everyone who reads this thread have to see the same stupid bloody pictures over and over again? It's stunningly egomanical.

 

Okay...sorry to interrupt your discussion about the whole sig thing...but just a little side note on the original topic.

Even though we aren't looking at certain objects they are STILL THERE!!! If we had to look at something to make it exsist then we would be living in one fucked up world. Oh, what's that? You're water isn't running right...I'm sorry because you aren't looking at the pipes they can't exsist. Your house is still standing? That's impossible because we aren't paying attention to the basic structure of the house! Sorry to burst your bubble but give me proof of your theroy and I will be happy to change my outlook.

Now, just so you don't think I'm some total fucktard I'm going to share a little bit of info. Science has proven that every atom is constantly phasing in and out of exsistance. The new question is...where are they going?

(I do apologize for the above post...I'm working on no sleep right now and I'm not even sure if this sentence is making any sense)

 

I suggest Physics 101 to most of you lol...

 

whatever you say i stick with my story, and LOL (Casperthesheet ) the house is still standing because you have a deep belief that that's the way it should be, jesus stop thinking like rats, we invented cloning and skit like that but some ppl still like to belive that some bird came to their house and delivered them! JESUS!
Stop being so ignorant for just one minute and put that brain to work!
P.S. if in that minute you don't smarten yourself just forget this topic and get back to your life as (you think) you know it.
P.S of the P.S. when you die and DON'T go to heaven or hell please leave a note at my front door, something like... : "guess what, you're right"
P.S. of the P.S. of the P.S. have a nice day

 

Good stuff man, maybe I'll do this unstead of acting like I know what I'm talking about. Thanks bro!