Osama Bin Laden may be moving to Iraq for the mother of all wars! According to spy reports, the latest communications buzzing around Iraq & Afghanistan, Bin Laden may take a holiday in Iraq. His buddy Al-Zarqawi has been begging him to come for a visit, as everyone misses his presence there. And they're having such a fine party killing in Osama's name, he might as well come and take credit. I don't necessarily believe this will happen, but it would be an interesting turn of events. And it means that Iraq must be so firmly in control of the "insurgents" (aka freedom fighters), that they feel confident enough to guarantee Osama's security there. http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1068
Hey, maybe Osama decided to see a travel agent to get away from those harsh Afghani winters! Ya neva no.
Thing is, I don't think Osama had much, if anything to do with the problems in Iraq at the time of the American Invasion. American Attacks only pushed his interests there. He is interested when infidels invade Islamic land. The US Military and Admin have caused Osama to go to Iraq. If it is what is happening. I wouldn't be surprised. He is the Jesse Jackson of Islam. If there is something he percieives as unfair, he gets involved. Military presence in Iraq is MAKING more problems. Mess.
Erm..no offense Maggie..but you actually put Osama Bin Laden and Jesse Jackson in the same category??I know you aren't saying they are the same but still....they are absolutely nothing alike in any way,shape,or form. Jesse Jackson is a preacher of peace,equality,and kindness. Osama is a preacher of murder,genocide,religious domination. Yes Jesse becomes involved..but he totally means well and he has been successful in staving off potentially violent situations. However,when Osama gets involved...it's to promote his agenda which is a world of violence towards women, no freedoms of speech or faith, no equality, problems are settled with a swift maiming or execution.A world plunged into a medieval state in which Osama is the God-Emperor. When are people going to understand that Osama is not a kind,good,or just man? He is a monster.Period. Is it really a surprise he'd go to Iraq to leech off the situation? I think not.
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1068 http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1546179,00.html
Matthew, yeah anyone aware of Al-Queda's tactics know that they are now avoiding all high tech communications, preferring to use messengers. They are very adaptable, and of couse Islam has long used alternative low tech means to communicate, move money around, and make war. That's one reason I found this article amusing.
Who cares Skip? Honestly, you keep driving this point home like it truly matters. Osama was somebody before the CIA trained him ya know. He grew up in Saudi Arabia where Islam is the law, where women have little more rights then cattle; to a family that has billions of dollars earned by spilling the blood of their own people. He was never a nice guy. He was never a decent fellow. For god's sake the man claims to have 40 wives! He certainly isn't moral or ethical. Osama Bin Laden is about as human as a Nile Crocodile..even then, the crocodile is better then he is. The CIA had nothing to do with that..they just taught him to hide from the "Man" better and how to shoot a gun.
It does matter, Otter! How can you say it doesn't matter that bin Laden was trained and funded by the CIA? Why do you feel compelled to be an apologist for the government by minimizing the role our own government played in brining this monster to power?
How the fuck do you know this? Were you there? I've heard it differently. Besides you're judging him from your own set of moral values, values that most of the world DOES NOT share. In fact from what I've heard Bin Laden went thru a set of changes in his life (not unlike those I've experienced more than once), where his values changed and in his case, he got religion. The fact that a man has 40 wives only makes him immoral from YOUR narrow view point. Quit being so fucking ethnoreligocentric. You really could use a more universal viewpoint. Not everyone sees life in black in white.
You realize of course here you are not judging just one person, but all of Islam, saying THEY are not moral or ethical. This is the crux of the moral dilemma that American Christians have created out of their own ignorance and intolerance. And it proves my point (from another thread) that this ingrained racism is bringing about a world war.
Otter is right. We didn't "create" Osama. He had his own money and was running his own war before we came along, and he was still running it after we left. The aid he received came from Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency, which was a conduit for CIA aid, but he had no direct relationship with the CIA. The apologist here is Skip. I do not feel "racist" because I am against female circumcision, or execution of homosexuals. I don't think women accused of infidelity should be stoned to death. I don't think women should be forced to wear a burqa. I don't think the Taliban should have destroyed ancient Buddhist artifacts and I disagree with Osama when he says that East Timor should not be free because Islamic countries are part of a Caliphate and can never be allowed to secede. And I don't believe that these are values that most of the world shares.
"I don't believe that these are values that most of the world shares." the point is that there IS NO ONE SET OF VALUES THAT THE WORLD SHARES. Got it? Values are culturally determined, and every culture has a right to it's own values. And any culture that seeks to impose it's values upon another has NO RIGHT to do that, especially by force, be it Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Communists or whatever. I morn for the world's lost cultures that are nothing more today than museum curiosities. Christianity has done more than it's share in destroying these cultures. Always done with a moral superiority that is as frightening as it is deadly.
James, james james... READ YOUR LINKS BEFORE YOU POST THEM!!!! I do read your links so I'd appreciate the courtesy of not being linked to junk. The article makes a single reference to Osama which is quoted from another article. Plus, globalresearch is crap. There are lots of articles with screaming headlines about Osama's CIA links. But if you actually read the articles you'll find that the "links" turn out to be pretty much what I described.
Of course ben-Laden was trained by the CIA. So were half the terrorists and secret policemen in the world. That's because the US chucks its weight around all over the world, setting up tin-pot dictatorships and the knocking them down. Does this make ben-Laden a CIA agent? No. No more than Hussein was, or Suharto or any of the other faggots the CIA sponsored.
the guy in the article is saying that while obl might have had no direct links with the cia (and its quoted in there obl saying so),which is the point i understood u were making, it doesn't imply that the relationship was benign. in fact as the article relates, al quada have been performing services 4 american intelligence all over the place, funded as u say through the pakistani conduit. so how is that irrelevant 2 the discussion at hand? and of course i read the bloody article be4 i posted it.