White House Approved Tourture

White House Approved Torture?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/27/cia.prisoners.ap/index.html

It turns out that the White House approves:
1. feigned drowning
2. refusal of pain medication for injuries.
3. "stress positions"
4. light and noise bombardment
5. sleep deprivation
6. making captives think they are being interrogated by another government.

"The newspaper said the interrogation methods were approved by Justice Department and National Security Council lawyers in 2002, outlined to congressional leaders and required the authorization of CIA Director George J. Tenet for use."

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

ya and the iraq's approve executing r men for no reason? whos the bad guy now

 

America is. Iraq has the right to fight a war that was BROUGHT TO THEM

 

Hey charred, nice to see someone from my home area! My dad works in Newton!

 

Just because "Iraq" does that, and "Afghanistan" does that, doesn't excuse us from doing the horrible things we have done, and do to this day, we should set an example of those countries and do exactly the opposite, but instead, we feel if what they do is worse, it excuses us from everything, this is not true.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

And? The only people who suffer these things are the ones who either did shit and deserve it, or know shit that will save innocent people.

 

And what better way to set an example for those people and NOT torture them, go the other way and say "You know what, you did horrible things to people, but we don't believe in an eye for an eye, and we are going to show you how much of a peaceful nation we are by not torturing you."

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

You are telling us that you honestly believe that in the chaos of a civil war where the soldiers can't even speak the language and there is no end to Iraqis trying to settle personal scores and vendettas by falsely incriminating people...

... that 100% of people who get arrested are guilty? Even in the US 100% of people arrested aren't guilty, how could 100% be guilty in the chaos of Iraq?

There are so many accounts of troops handling prisoners where they admitted they hadn't the faintest clue who they were or why they had been arrested. You must carefully avoid them.

Why be such an instinctive apologist?

 

No response for that one? how predictable.

 

I don't know who we are torturing but I hear of innocent people being part of it which is bad and unforgivable.
Some could argue that we brought 911 to ourselves by supporting Isreal but we have sent our soldiers to protect the muslims too, Bosnia, remember? We, or I should say the people onboard the flights that were slammed into the World Trade Centers, Pentegon and in Pennslvania didn't have to die in the way they did, not to mention the people who dies in the towers who were at work.
I believe if we capture anyone with close ties to Al Queda we should do whatever we can to get to Osama at whatever means needed to get him. What they did was inexcusable and if they are planning another attempt at a larger strike then we should kick the crap out of them to prevent that.
I don't know about you guys but if we had to torture one of these guys to death to prevent 9/11 from happening then so be it. There were children on those flights that were going to Disney Land.
Rumsfeld should be held accountable for lying as he knew and authorized the torture and then denied it to the people he works for, nothing is worse than a public servant lying to the public.

 

Do you understand that the people we are fighting against in Iraq are the war clans that want nothing else but to achieve what saddam once had?

 

well why is Amerika fighting the "war clans that want nothing else but to achieve what saddam once had" if Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11? That is why the war was started, to bring down the people who thought up and carried out the 9/11 attacks.

 

Because how many people would we torture to death and find out they knew nothing?

And if that's OK, then why don't we torture people to stop serial murderers and rapists? There is no doubt as to where this would lead.

 

By that token, why are we wasting time torturing Afghani peasants when, given the undeniable military pinpoint precision of the multiple targetted attacks of 9/11, we should be torturing those who have demonstrated that they both stood to gain and did in fact gain the most out of the subsequent inauguration of the PNAC agenda of perpetual war?

The same cabal which has stonewalled investigations, denied access to public documents, maintained continuous denials in the face of duly documented evidence contradicting their ongoing claims and debased US integrity within the international community to an all time low.

Seems if anyone isn't coming clean it's those before whom the public is so slavishly and unquestioningly prostrating themselves.

 

They turned left and steered the plane in a straight line. You are obviously very easily impressed.

Break out the tinfoil hats.

 

Keep deluding yourself PB, it's what you do best.

 

No Tin Hats Required, just intellectual honesty and the effort to scrutinize the claims of a repeatedly proven lying administration

If anyone proves the truth that the lies are more easily swallowed by the sheep than the far more plausible but frightening reality of power politics and the benefits to be gained therefrom, tis you. Bah bah bah...

 

Let my quote one section of your supposedly impressive documentation:

That's some pretty deep stuff there LHI, did you get this from your high level contacts in Brussels?


And how about this?

<insert boilerplate insults about everyone getting educated, blinders, PNAC, yad yada yada>.

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http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/home.html

 

Perhaps youd find it in you to begin questioning what many, with far more respectable credentials and expertise than i suspect you can boast, have been uncovering by taking the time to scrutinize the "official" coverstory with good ol fashioned investigative legwork.

You might think that flying a jumbo airliner is just a hop skip and a jump from flying training cessnas, however such is not the case and certainly not given the very limited time frames for the alleged "hijackers" from the time they were reported as having taken flying lessons until they supposedly (with not a single hour logged in the cockpit of any jumbo jet) boarded and seized control of 4 simultaneous flights. Seems You'd have to be the conspiracy nut to believe such utter nonsense!

http://www.sfcall.com/issues%202002/10.7.02/paul_10_7_02.htm

I suggest you consider the documented references to testimonials by the schools which taught the officially alleged hijackers. Not the sort of testimony consistent with the complex maneuvres witnessed of the jumbo jets before striking their targets.

Given that a great many researchers have gone to great lengths to follow up and piece together glaring implausibilities in the coverstory, the reactionaries would do well to consider the collated facts carefully, and at the very least acknowledge that sufficient questions exist to warrant a more exhaustive investigation than either the beltway insiders or the mainstream media have been willing to advocate.

http://911review.org/Wget/perso.club-internet.fr/mouv4x8/11Sept01/A2015_f1_wtc_demolition.pdf
Of course, perhaps not truly investigating and just believing what the media cares to relate would help us all sleep peaceably at night. What it wont do however is provide any truth or justice for the victims of that day and their families nor those who have been sent to spill their own and others' blood since.

A little op ed piece which sums up your thinking and that of other unquestioning dismissives like yourself

 

Thats not why the war was started at all...