Are People Turned Off By Strong Women

That depends....Docs told me not to have kids & tried talking me into an abortion when I first got pregnant....I now have 7 kids.

My parents & my ex tried to keep me from driving or even getting a driver's license...I finally hopped into my ex's car to drive down the road & teach myself.

My ex wouldn't let me finish college yrs ago to be a teacher....finally in NH I was able to be a substitute teacher without the college degree & did that for a few yrs.

Sorry at the moment I can't think of any other major thing...but there are way to many little every day things I can get stubborn about.
Do they help with my goals? Wait let me think of a goal first.

 

I dont think it is so much turned off by. I think its intimidated by.

 

RE: BlueBong.. I find the same is true. If a women stands up and speaks her mind she is either "on the rag" or she is "on the rag". When a man stands up and speaks his mind, he's conciderd a leader.

I disagree. A guy can stand up and speak his mind and be considered a pushy aggressive asshole, too.

Depends on what you're doing.

A misandric rant will be ignored whether you're menstruating or not. Something well reasoned will be listened to.

Assertive works very well. People of BOTH genders like assertive. Being strong and independent is great. But when someone stands on a soapbox and screams about how strong and independent they are, you gotta wonder why they don't just let the actions do the talking, ya know? Aggression doesn't work either. Aggression is a sign of insecurity.

 

Do people feel threatened by strong opinionated females?- Everybody hates people with strong opinions, male or female. The only way to have everybody like you is be middle of the road.

Are strong willed women seen in the same way as strong willed men? I don't see people in the way you are suggesting or try not to, and if people do see people like that but not equally they are really fucked up.

When women state their views on a subject are their conculsions being taken as seriouly as a mans view?- I don't know what other people think, but for me yes.

Why are strong willed women classified as bitches and strong willed men thought of as heros?- because people are sexist.

Why is it that batterd women are being ridiculed for speaking out against abuse?- because theres lots of ridiculing abusers out there, I guess.

Why is it when one speaks from a place of knowing they are condemed?- Because they might not sound knowing, but everybodys condemed for no reason.

Why is it BC you speak with strong convition that you are classified as a man hater?- ???????????


I am wondering if any one has experienced these things.

Is this from the thread in mens issues?

 

Well peronally describe strong? LOL Strong in bed is good. Now buff chicks like I don't mind chicks that look in good shape but where they actual have muscle like a guy thats nasty.

 

some study (sorry, i lack a good reference) shows that when making the same contributions, female leaders are responded to with fewer smiles and more frowns than male leaders. the more the female leader spoke, the more unfavorable expressions were given. these negative expressions tend to go away with time, once everyone gets to know the leader.

this shows that it doesn't necessarily matter what is being said (say, one is advocating mass genocide and the other talks about drinking tea, to give extreme examples), but more who is saying it (mass genocide is frowned upon by most, regardless of the speakers gender). it's not that ones opinions are too radical or their mind is too closed off... because in the study, the men and women were saying exactly the same things, but the responses they got were drastically different.

there's also the case of baby x (bell & carver, 1980) to show whether or not people react differently to newborns, based on the gender of the baby.

the SAME baby is used throughout the study; sometimes they would dress the baby in blue, sometimes in pink. when the baby in blue cried, the respondants said it was anger... but when the same baby was in pink, the people said the cry was fearful.

if you show someone a newborn and say it's a boy, people tend to say he appears strong and firm. when people think the same newborn is a girl, they tend to say she looks delicate and fragile... it's the same baby, yet the responses are so very different.

in the states, i haven't encountered a lot of resistance for speaking my mind and being opinionated. i was recently in jamaica, though, and it was entirely different...

people would speak to my man, and only to him.. well, they'd ask a question geared towards us both (like where we're from) but when i'd answer, they'd ignore me and look at my boyfriend, waiting for him to answer. we spoke with a lot of people, so i know it wasn't that they were having a difficult time understanding me. most guys would slowly look me up and down, lick their lips, sometimes mutter a comment or two... but they wouldn't acknowledge anything i said!

likewise, when we were getting scuba-certified, the instructor suggested that my boyfriend get internationally certified, and that he must be a pisces 'cause he's got gills, blahblahblah.. and he suggested i might want to practice some more before i go, cause women tend to get scared, and i'd be taking a spot from someone who "could last." but the thing is, i was better skilled than my man, a better swimmer, more familiar with scuba, more comfortable underwater, able to last longer than he, etc... he made that comment based on my sex, not my abilities.

 

i'm always striving to empowr women who arent in touch with theyre strennths, & am very attracted to strong women, unfortunately i find so many who have let the male dominant & media dominant society destroy theyre stregnth & weaken them.. & i'm constantly working to help restore theyre strengthh & self image
in todays society with all women have to deal with..the ones who can remane strong regardless of what theyve dealt with is something i admire more then anything..ofcourse i dont mean a tough woman..i've gone out with a couple who were just mean hearted tough angry women..by strength i mean the ability to lov while still being strong..speaking theye minds.. being real..ofcourse if theresa lil vulnerability there too thats a plus because its honnesst..arent we all somewhat vulnerable after all?
but out of all my relationships both as freinds & lovrers the ones that were most reak had been strong women
or..also the ones who rediscovered the strong women within after being severely wealeened..that takes real strength to overcome.

 

I feel that I have been thought of this way by a selected few of my fiancee's buddies. His one friend seems to shut me up everytime I talk... oh don't worry, I don't let that shit slide... but it's amazing how it's 2005 and guys and some girls still haven't accepted women's rights into their lives.

back in high school [its not really an issue now because i can avoid those people] anytime i spoke out for myself, i was considered a "bitch"...and I'm not just saying this to cover my ass or be one sided, but I honestly am not that sort of person... I don't say cruel and/or hurtful things, it's never been a part of me to do so, and if I ever accidently hurt someone I was always persistently apologizing... however,the second I'd speak my opinion, or defend myself in any type of situation i seemed to be a "bitch" to even other girls.

I'm a feminist to a certain degree... I dont rally, or hate on men, I'm in no way a radical, but I'm all for the equality of men and women. My finacee loves this about me, and it's something other people can't stand about me. I grew up with a mother who was all for women making their way in the world... as she was a single mother at the age of 18.

IMO a woman doesn't have to be physically strong, and be able to do the same sort of jobs that a lot of men do [construction and what not] to show that she is equal to a man. I also believe that though that rings true if a woman does have the physical strength and enjoys it that she should be able to do what she wishes with it. In the U.S. today it's becoming more frequent for women to do such things, but I always wonder what sort of shit that woman gets from the other men she works with.... because, and not to be stereotypical, a lot of men perceive women as weaker, and when they come across a woman who clearly isn't they seem frightened... or so they say, but I see it as intimidation.

back to the point of what I wanted to say...
it's just like when my fiancee hurts my feelings a bit, or does something that irritates me and I speak up about it...his buddies are always right there to jump in and say "Man, you found yourself a bitch!" ... and I always want to ask, "Am I a bitch because I let people know when they've crossed a line with me? Am I a bitch because I am not afraid to say so... or am I a bitch simply because I know exactly what I want from others and say so also?" To me, none of this dubs me as a bitch, but apparently to most of society it does. One of his friends actually has a tattoo of a naked woman on his arm--whatever, totally cool, until one day he pointed out that where it looked as if she was brushing her hair behind her ear, there was a knife in her hand. [apparently, and clearly he doesn't have any trust for women]
another one of his friends refers to all women as "bitches" or "hoes"... and I pretty much try to put an end to that when he's around me... I usually say something like, "Do you know that she's a bitch? Have you met her personally and have seen that she's honestly a cruel, mean girl?" then he usually tells me to shut up. The sort of shit I see in a lot of guys around here is truly disgusting.

though my fiancee isn't at all like that, he does at times get a little irritated with the fact that I barely ever let him help me out ...with "man" things. If I can't get something open, or if I can't fix something of my own that I am determined to...after 5 minutes or less of me trying to do so he steps in and is all "HEY LET ME HELP YOU LET ME DO IT!" and I usually shrug him off and say, "Trust me. I'm fine to get this done myself" i've ALWAYS been really independent like that. Anyway, then he usually mutters under his breath and complains that "even though you're strong and I know this, it would be nice if sometimes you just let me help you out so i feel useful"

I guess that's normal for guys though... to have to feel "useful" to women. But, in my personal opinion, I don't have a fiancee around to fix things for me, or to help me with things that I can handle on my own anyway... I have him because I love him, and enjoy spending time with him.

I suppose the old-fashioned sort of traditions or whatever you may call them still haven't completely worn off a lot of men.

and not to ramble here, lol... but then again I have also noticed that many guys, anyway most of my exes and my current boyfriend/fiancee seem to have some sort of attraction to my strength. Although they may gripe about it when I shoot them down for help of some sort, later for example, my fiancee will usually say something about how it's really cool that he always KNOWS what he can do, because I don't beat around the bush about anything...and how he admires my will to get things done on my own. That's always really nice to hear

 

I also want to add one more thing.

Just because I've always had such a strong admiration for her..
My best friend of 13 years has an amazing sort of strength to her, and I just want to eat it up...
Some people perceive her as a bitch as well, but the way I see it is that she just speaks her true feelings, beliefs, opinions..whatever.

I think, or from what I have observed is it is inspiring, and attractive to a lot of males as well... Every guy she's been with she's had a long lasting relationship with...
If she was truly a *bitch* I doubt so many guys would have stayed in a relationship with her for years.

I am so inspired by her everyday... as I am still a woman who sometimes lets compassion and guilt get in the way of what I want to say or do, she always corrects me and lets me know that it's in no way wrong to say what I feel or do what I think is right even if somebody else thinks differently... I can't even find words to describe how cool she is when it comes to that...she's so in tune with herself, and with carefully but surely letting other people know that she's a person with feelings and needs as well.

 

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I know what you mean bro. I've done a lot of security work for people's concerts in Golden Gate Park and the local soup kitchen and I'm fairly large, my favorite male pardner is smaller and ignored which makes me feel very secure since when things blow I'm usually the target and Don has my back. He is a former search and recovery lurp in who served in Korea and is one of the top 5 practioners of his chosen style of martial arts in the world. It provides a wonderful bit of misdirection when they focus on me and ignore him. The same thing works with any of my female pardners...

 

Whys it so bad if a guy carrys something heavy for his wife? It doesn't mean anything, we are not a bunch of monkeys. Out in the jugnle the biggest monkey is the boss, because he throws his weight around. So just because a guy carrys something for his wife doesn't mean he has more authority or power than her, because that is completely psycological. People tend to assume that all guys are duches and throw their weight around. Like this beggar came up on the street when I was with my mom and asked me for money. I don't have any money, he should have been asking my mom, but he assumed I was in charge because I am taller.

Its what makes us different from the monkeys, its why we rule the earth instead of them. We don't think that just because somebody is strong that they get authority. Now some women are getting mad at guys who try to help them like carry things and whatnot, but don't. Its hardwired into our systems. My mother asks me to carry things for her all the time, and my dad makes me drop what I am doing and help her. If a woman can do it then great, but leting a guy do it who isn't a duche just because he is naturally bigger doesn't mean anything. Its like working as a team sort-of.

I don't see why any guy would be scared of a woman who is physically strong, because as I just explained, it doesn't mean anything.

People who think women suck because they have strong opinions are sexist, and if they call them "bitches" they probably have a below average IQ and are stupid.

 

I can only give MY feelings on the subject. "Female Body Builders".
STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!!!!! Female chests are NOT supposed to match MALE chests!

 

MattInVegas - if a woman wants to look like Schwarzenegger - why not? And how dare you put your sizist issues on to her. That was half sarcastic - it's not my cup of tea, but I am not closed minded to the idea that a female bodybuilder could be cute.

 

For me, it really comes down to, if shes taking steriods or not.

 

For a girl to look like Arnold, she has to.

 

lol. how's that for argumentative. i do that, you know. i'm very opinionated. it pisses people off when i disagree with them. but of course, they LOVE me when i agree. that's just people.

 

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Personally,I love strong women,but I am a strong man. A lot of people aren't so strong and sometimes a strong person feels threatening to them.


Clearly a lot of people feel threatened by strong people of either sex, but especially strong women,because women have been expected to keep it hidden for a long time.