I just finished watching a documentary profiling three palestinian kids living in Rafah. documenting the impact of the isreali-palestinian conflict, the rebel resistNCE, Myrtdom....I broke into tears when i saw the lifestyle and philosophies that surround their war-torn lives. I haven't done much research on the conflict history. who is truly at fault? i understand the documentary's bias in terms of showing the israelis as the "bad guys" but.... I'd like to know both sides of the story. does anyone have any insight on this? opinions ? comments? I'd liek to see other people's views. before i make my own judgments.
Well i think it was the fault of both. Both the israelis by coming on a territory that was their land 2000 years did not realise that the Palestinians were living there ...
Palestinian terrorists and Jewish right ortodox extremist are at fault for the continuation of the conflict.
how about addressin the cause rather than blamin the effects ..if you want to talk about who's responsible for today's problems ..it'd be the europeans and the zionists (course we all, HUMANS now need to take ownership of it). and the french and brits played dirty in the end and look what we end up with ..
I don't have a television and at work we have our own special "radio" (goodie, I get to listen to nasty old 50s and 80s songs over and over again), so I've had a difficult time keeping up with the info regarding the war and Israel. However, some friends at work were discussing this one day. Now I have no way of knowing if this is in 100% true, but I was told that in a lot of situations, the young men in Israel are told by their leaders and holy men that it is their right and duty, to God and/or Country, to destory the opposition with their suicide bombs and that, if they do it, they will be granted complete and utter forgiveness in the afterlife. It sounds far-fetched and strange, but there have been others out there who have convinced people of similar things (Manson, for example). At any rate, I don't know if this is true or not. Just throwing it out to see what some people say. Bright Blessings! Aphrodite Pretty
Its really britains fault, they pretty mutch allowed jewish terror groups to slawter twovillages of palistineans and claim the land as their own. What we have today is a result of that.
Brit's fault? Maybe it's the fault of the Romans who conquered Israel, or the Ottomon Empire? Get bloody real. Aphrodite. The palestinian suicide bombers are brainwashed into believing that they will go to heaven with 13 virgins.
Fault isn't really the way you should look at this. You know who's at fault? Abraham, for making the same land holy to two religious sects. It's an ancient land of historical and religious relevance to Jewish people and Islamic people. The land was conquroed by the romans in 1,000 BCE, and was renamed palestine by a roman emporer. It was then conqured from the Romans by the muslim calliphate in 600 BC and then was fought over for centuries until the Ottoman empire came along. Around the end of the 1800's, Jewish people we're being forced out of there homelands in Russia facing genocide flocked to Palestine we're they we're originally welcomed by the Muslims. Around the 1900's there was some kind of movement to create a Jewish state in palestine, and around that time more Jewish settlers came in from Russia. Once World War one started, (The Ottoman Empire was allied with Germany) The British and the French Captured the territory of Palestine and promised it to the Jewish zionists under the condition that the jewish population in America would talk the US into joining the war With Britain and France. The Area of palestine was divided into two parts that would become Jordan, and the Jewish state of palestine which was under British control. The rise of Nazism in the 1930's led to even more immigration. It wasn't until this time that hostilites between the Muslim people in Pakistan and the Jewish settlers became very vexing. These problems are mostly attributable the large numbers of Jews fleeing Europe at that time. In 1939, the British signed a document called the White Paper (to help them gain Arab support for WW2) with the muslim people of palestine that abadoned the policy of a jewish state in Palestine and instead a Arab-Jewish government. The problem with the White Paper was it set strict caps on the amount of jewish people that could immagrate to palestine, even during the mass exodus that followed the Holocaust. During the time of World War 2, hostility between the Muslim and Jewish population reached an apex. In 1947, the UN created a partition plan which would have divided the nation into two states, an Arab and Jewish state, but was immediatly rejected by the Palestinian Arab leadership and they launched a guerilla war. In 1948, the nation of Israel was declared, and war was declared on it by virtually the entire arab world. Anyway, I'm getting tired of typing now, but essentially, all the contened areas you've heard like Gaza strip and the west bank we're captured in wars between the New Nation of Israel and the nations of the Arab world. In the first few years after the formation of Israel, there was a mass exodus of Muslims from Israel, and a mass exodus of Jews from Muslim lands because of ethnic strife and diaspora. Personally, I think anyone who simplifies the problem to Jewish zionism or Muslim terrorism is an ignorant asshole. The situation is complicated but the only side you should be on is for peace. The tale of Israel is terrified Muslim and Jewish citizens living in fear. At least theres some hope. The withdrawl from gaza is a very positive gesture of peace, and hopefully the new palestine government of Abbas will be intrested in stoping the violence. If you're intrested in things like this, you might want to watch the movie Hotel Rawanda. It's the only time I've ever cried from a movie since Old Yeller when I was like 5.
The withdrawl will happen. The main opposition, Treasury minister Bibi Netaniyahu resigned from the cabinet yesterday. This is a key step for peace, but sadly it shall not help much. I do not have the strengh to elaborate on this issue anymore...seach for any of the 20 page long discussions about this.
It's an ancient land of historical and religious relevance to Jewish people and Islamic people. The land was conquroed by the romans in 1,000 BCE, and was renamed palestine by a roman emporer. And long before that, there were Arameans (a semitic tribe from the arabian peninsula,) Syrians, Egyptians, Assyrians and Persians all vying for the area. It wasn't religiously significant in those days -- the land was just really great compared to the punishing deserts in the south and east. The Mediterranean's east coast, stretching between Egypt and Asia Minor (Turkey,) often called the Levant, was constantly being taken and re-taken by the rival civilazations. The Jews eventually made their way up there on their way out of Egypt. At the same time, a tribe of people from across the Mediterranean sea, the Falistins, or Philistines (guess whose ancestors they are,) landed in what is now Isreal. The two tribes arrived at the Levant at basically the same time, and engaged in the neccessary conflict, as well as some typical Levant hellenization, until the arrival of the Romans... Many centuries and wars later, the powers in the west have granted the land to the Jews by way of the Balfour declaration... I'd say we were all the victims of the western supremacy in this instance, but it's not a new thing that people want this land. Everyone has wanted it since humans started to build cities... the area was the cradle of human civilization, after all.
brave sir robin, the current conflict is only here as a direct result of what happened when we let the jewish terror groups form israel in the first place.
yes, but only one side in the current dispute is armed to teeth with nuclear weapons. it's not an equal wager by any chalk. israel today acts as the regional ghq 4 american geopolitical interests, a role that will become more critical when the competition 4 middle eastern oil becomes acute. any1 who thinks that the jewish-palestinian conflict is an insoluble problem doesn't realise that the thing could be solved 2morrow if america stopped arming israel and giving her miltiary assistance. israel would then be forced to seek a political accommodation with the palestinians instead of seeing them as an expendible military target as they do now. unfortunately, that's not likely 2 happen anytime soon. ps and pls no1 call me an anti-semite
let's also not forget this newly created country is actually bulldozin its way (into the palestinian lands and the local palestinian population - muslim and christian) for creatin newer colonies to accomodate the jews (nationals of east europe, africa etc) it is invitin from all over the world to become a part of the "jewish land" ..how can we, as humans, stand by watchin a million plus palestinian refugees livin out of tents in no-man-land for decades, whilst construction goes on for the ones who do not belong to the occupied territory!
if you think im bein anti-semitic, you are too ..since the arabs belong to the semitic tribe as well. and oh, not every jew is semitic ...just as not every muslim is
Feel free to help yourself to a little information. http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm Is it easy to call hundreds of thousands of people fleeing genocide who wanted to form a state terrorists?
Of course its a regional geopolitical intrest... it's the only pro-western state in the middle east, and the armement of Israel is the main reason there hasn't been a war between Israel and the Arab states lately. I still can't see how anyone can only see one side of this issue, it's very complicated, and you just dumb it down to Israeli zionism. The media you watch must be very askew. The Israeli military has been very brutal in it's conquest of land, but the land was captured when war was declared on Israel by the Arab world. There are many innocent Palestinian people who have been displaced and harmed by the Israeli incursion, but Palestinian insurgents use that as an excuse to blow themselves up near as many civilians as possible. And they claim divine inspiration for it. The west needs Israels strategic location, and most of the Arab countries are unwilling to recognise Israels statehood. A weakened Israeli military would embolden Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. Refusing Israeli military aid would only escalate tensions in the region. There isn't a right 'side' to this thing, theres just a lot of bloodshed.
Gaza the West Bank and the Suez Canal were captured in war declared on Israel, and this all happened a few years back, now with US presure, Israel is begining a withdrawl. The spread of Jewish land, are you insane... if anything Islam is spreading itself across Africa and Europe like wildfire. I don't have a problem with that either, except in Africa when violence and displacment are being used to convert ethnic populations. But I can hardly blame the Palestinians for that. I'm not pro Israeli either, I just wonder why all of you only see one side of this issue. You're fears of global jewish zionism are ludicrous. THe people being displaced in Palestine right now are the Israeli's under negotiations from the withdrawl. The United States just donated $500 million for hospitals in Palestine. You're only seeing one side of the issue.
oh spare us the handwringing pleeeeeeeease. there is a right side when one side has disproportinate power over the other side and they are brutalising them. which side is that 4 u? the side u need 4 strategic benefit, or the one that's being brutalised?
You seem very knowledgeable, but I'm still blaming Abraham. I'm very sympathetic to the Jewish population wanting a soverign nation captured from the Ottoman Empire, and a nation formed aftter so may refugees poured out of Europe fleeing genocide. I'm also sympathetic to the Palestinians whos land was taken under negotiatitons that they did not have much of a say in. Finding a right or wrong side in this seems absurd, we should be working to find a resolution that will allow the Israelis and Palestinians to live if not together, then somewhat more sequestered.
