Are ghosts real?

Thor bashing his hammer to create thunder hasn't been disproven. It is currently regarded as nothing more than a myth.

You conclude (in your response to Eleria) that you won't believe in ghosts until you see one. That is quite logical and very sane. I am also someone who needs proof before I believe in something. But where many people go wrong is believing that something is unlikely until it's been proven. This is very illogical because it implies that the universe is limited to what we can concieve (or to what the scientist can validate). A scientist doesn't govern what is or isn't possible. A scientist seeks to uncover the truth or quantify phenomena.

To judge ghosts/supernatural as unlikely/improbable until proven otherwise is illogical.

To say that ghosts exist in absolute terms is also illogical.

There is no conclusive proof either for or against and in the absence of proof for or against then it is logical to conclude that there is a 50/50 chance.

I would also suggest that even if there was "conclusive" scientific proof either for or against then that proof should also not be regarded as an absolute truth.

Science doesn't dictate what is or isn't possible. It seeks to test the unknown.

"But no evidence leads me to believe nothing." - That is perfectly understandable. But then you follow that statement with the following contradiction:


"Well I probably wouldn't call them that to their face, because it would be impolite, but yes, I consider belief in the supernatural to be irrational." - So you have admitted in one sentence that without evidence you cannot believe in ghosts. So in the absence of proof for or against you dismiss belief in the supernatural as irrational, which means you have reached a verdict without any conclusive proof (for or against).

You make the assumption that because you personally haven't encountered ghosts - others who claim to have done so are wrong.

Just because you personally have no experience of something - doesn't make it less probable. There is a 50/50 chance that ghosts exist so I would suggest it's somewhat irrational to make a judgement of 'unlikely' or 'improbable' without conclusive proof against.

"Like I say, don't take my skepticism the wrong way. I just don't believe in ghosts til I see one. If it ever happens, I'll letcha guys know I was wrong." - That's very understandable. The only mistake you make is to dismiss something as unlikely until you've experienced it or it's been proven by science.

50/50 chance in the absence of conclusive proof for or against.

Logic.

 

yes.

 

there are many theories about ghosts, here are some that i know of

1. A tear in the space time continuim causes an event in the past to repeat its self on our plane of existence.

2. They are actually the spirits of the dead trying to contatct us

3. Beings (living or dead) from another plane of existence ocassionly make contact with our plane making them "apperitions"

4. Ghosts are self projections of people with powerful minds

5. Ghosts are manifestations of plasma energy the we believe to see as "people or ghosts"

personally i believe in ghosts, but in the sense of my theories number 1, and or 3,

in the way that peoples aura wouldnt stay on the physical plane just to hang out, its more likley accidental interaction with beings from another plane of existence

 

I believe it's good to consider some of the endless possibilities.

Speaking personally I have experienced various kinds of supernatural forces to the extent that I no longer have to question whether such forces exist. But I am no closer to understanding the true nature of those forces (i.e. as in some of the possibilities you describe).

I think one thing we often fail to consider when asking such questions is whether we ourselves are real?

 

you mean whether the sheer possibility of our existence is generated by our thinking that we exist? Lest we think that we dont exist then we would cease to exist?

interesting

 

I have been touched on the back of the neck by a ghost (long story) and i have seen a ghost and i have heard quite a few. Also for any of out there into anything from the supernatural to new age thinking check out this radio show its the one of the only non poltical radio shows out there! It cahnged my thinking on everthing including spirtual issuses and the supernatural!
www.coasttocoastam.com

 

I didn't really think I would make you change your mind. My main point was to tell you and the other people, that imo you don't have to believe in ghosts, to make an encounter.
A description is still an description and not the same as an experience.
The sound I was talking about was not some scuffling, that could have been made by an animal and there was no question like "can you hear it?", because everybody heard it in the same time, since it was a loud banging followed by stomping heavy footsteps.
The guys didn't come to the place to hear a ghost, but rather because they wanted to proof the girl nuts and because they thought they could give a "logic" explaination of what was going on in her house (also because she is known to be a very good cook ).

 

been touched " felt " sensed" and seen spirit. i personally think the spirit world is all around us .

 

That's one possibility. A group of physicists in the U.S. are questioning the nature of our reality. There is a theory that perhaps our reality is computer generated. The reason physicists question the nature of reality in this way is because we really don't know much about our existance at all. The more you begin to explore the hidden mechanics of reality - the more you realise that to make assumptions about our existance is illogical and irrational and largely based on fear of the unknown. This fear of the unknown is the reason people react with 'anyone who believes in ghosts is whacko'.

I have been forced to question the nature of my existance over the past years after a series of strange/unpleasant events. I began with the arrogant/assuming attitude of a reality-addict (someone who believes absolutely in reality and is totally dependant on it), but the more I discovered about the false nature of reality - the less assuming I became. I realised that we make assumptions about our existance and we become very fearful/aggressive/defensive when anyone dares to suggest that reality isn't necessarily as concrete as we believe.

 

Anyone who has kept cats, or had kids, knows how real they are....

 

What do you mean by that? I have had some interesting conversations about dogs appearing to sense things that we can't see.

 

My son talks to someone named "mona" all the time. Perhaps she is imaginary, but we asked the people who own the house and some little girl died in a fire in a house that was there before mine in the 40s. Her name was Mona. I think they are real if you believe in them.

 

Now that is an interesting story....did you ever ask your son about her,specifically? Like,when does he see her or does she talk to him? I've never had any experiences with a child seeing/hearing things..but,I do believe children are far more perceptive than adults.

 

Well actually, i did ask him questions about her, and he'd say that she was playing with him and stuff. Sometimes he'll point to a corner, or to a wall and he'll say "Hey mona!!" And he'll run over and look around, then giggle and run back to me. When he'd be down for his nap during the day (in my room) all his toys would go off in his room all at the same time, and sometimes things would fly off the shelfs. Once I was in there cleaning up and his tv came on, and in his VCR he had a wiggles tape. It was sticking out of the vcr and it pushed in and started playing. A lot of times when you are down stairs in the basement you can hear footsteps running down the halls. I think shes real, but she isn't threatening him or any of my family, so its cool. I think she looks out for Ajna (my son).

 

i believe there real

 

Wow,that is an awesome story!

 

i never believed in ghosts until 2 summers ago when i saw something messed up. It was about 11am and i was driving down a dual carriageway in my work van. As i was approaching one of the many roundabouts i was aware of a youngish woman waiting on the island to cross the road. She was in view for around ten seconds before i reached the junction, she was wearing a modern green jacket and white skirt and drew my attention in no way other than she was the only person around. I only slowed to around 20 at the roundabout because there was little traffic, and at the line gave a quick glance left to check that it was clear. when i looked back in front of me, to my disbelief, the woman had gone. Now there was nothing ghostly about this entire experience other than the woman would have had to travel over 200 metres of open land in approx 3 seconds to have 'disappeared'. The road is less than 10yrs old and there have been multiple pedestrian fatalities at its junctions, especially those with no signal control. Is it possible that this woman was involved in a fatal accident, or have all these drugs finally started taking their toll? personally i hope it was a ghost!

 

Thats nutts.

 

I don't even believe in the existance of things like a 'soul', let alone that they may linger around on earth instead of going to the 'afterlife'...

I do have to admit sometimes I can't correctly explain something in a non-spiritual way...